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RT if you want a CLEAR statement about AI from all GNU/Linux distributions and are ready to quit any distribution that is ok with integrating AI slopware.

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  • dallo@pouet.chapril.orgD dallo@pouet.chapril.org

    @Khrys
    Btw if you didn't see it yet, there is a list of projects that pledged not to use AI or are disrupting it https://noai.starlightnet.work/list.html

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    @dallo @Khrys QEMU 😍

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    • khrys@mamot.frK khrys@mamot.fr

      RT if you want a CLEAR statement about AI from all GNU/Linux distributions and are ready to quit any distribution that is ok with integrating AI slopware.

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      @Khrys

      Pour repouet, on ne devrait pas écrire RP au lieu de RT? 🤡

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      • mafraise@pouet.chapril.orgM mafraise@pouet.chapril.org

        @Khrys

        Pour repouet, on ne devrait pas écrire RP au lieu de RT? 🤡

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        @mafraise J'ai écrit en anglais. En anglais on dit retoot 🤪

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        • khrys@mamot.frK khrys@mamot.fr

          RT if you want a CLEAR statement about AI from all GNU/Linux distributions and are ready to quit any distribution that is ok with integrating AI slopware.

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          @Khrys ah je veux bien un "clear statement" mais je préfère que les gens puissent se faire une opinion par eux même (basée sur l'éducation d'un espresso du lundi par exemple 🙂 )

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          • breizh@pleroma.breizh.pmB breizh@pleroma.breizh.pm

            @shaft@piaille.fr @Khrys@mamot.fr There you have.

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            Time to switch to BSD ? Well, I don't know their position.

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            @breizh @Khrys Ok, ça confirme ce que j'avais vu passer 😬

            Chez BSD, j'ai vu que NetBSD pour l'instant et la porte n'est pas totalement fermée (de toutes façons, reste ensuite le problème des softs au-dessus)

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            • breizh@pleroma.breizh.pmB breizh@pleroma.breizh.pm

              @shaft@piaille.fr @Khrys@mamot.fr There you have.

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              Time to switch to BSD ? Well, I don't know their position.

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              @breizh @Khrys @shaft BSD is open source not libre. What about Hurd and Plan9?

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              • dallo@pouet.chapril.orgD dallo@pouet.chapril.org

                @breizh @Khrys @shaft BSD is open source not libre. What about Hurd and Plan9?

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                @dallo @breizh @Khrys I want tools usable by regular human beings with little or no technical knowledge. Not niche stuff for people with 30+ years of sysadmin experience 😬

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                • shaft@piaille.frS shaft@piaille.fr

                  @dallo @breizh @Khrys I want tools usable by regular human beings with little or no technical knowledge. Not niche stuff for people with 30+ years of sysadmin experience 😬

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                  @shaft @breizh @Khrys I met people running Hurd/GUIX. They were not people with 30+ years of sysadmin experience. I never met anyone running Plan9 though.

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                    @ParadeGrotesque @breizh @Khrys The door is not 100% closed in NetBSD

                    “Code generated by a large language model or similar technology [...] is presumed to be tainted code, and must not be committed without prior written approval by core.”

                    An approval can be given

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                    • khrys@mamot.frK khrys@mamot.fr

                      RT if you want a CLEAR statement about AI from all GNU/Linux distributions and are ready to quit any distribution that is ok with integrating AI slopware.

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                      @Khrys With low level system libraries getting on the AI bandwagon, it may very soon be impossible to have an AI free distro.

                      We are well and truly screwed.

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                      • shaft@piaille.frS This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @ParadeGrotesque @breizh @Khrys Anyway: you have your AI-Free kernel. Nice. Then all the softwares that will run on this kernel, ranging from the shell to the web browser have to be AI-free 😬

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                        • fmasy@piaille.frF fmasy@piaille.fr

                          @Khrys Ready to quit ?
                          It depends ... what is the degree of cleaness that we consider ?

                          I may be wrong, but isn't the linux kernel project already accepting contributions made with the use of AI-generated code ?

                          If this is the case, then there is no such GNU/Linux AI-free distribution anymore.

                          Edit: to avoid confusion, that would be something I regret. But would I have the strength to resist it ? I don't know.

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                          @fmasy @Khrys

                          AFAIK GNU doesn't, got a source?

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                          • shaft@piaille.frS shaft@piaille.fr

                            @ParadeGrotesque @breizh @Khrys Anyway: you have your AI-Free kernel. Nice. Then all the softwares that will run on this kernel, ranging from the shell to the web browser have to be AI-free 😬

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                            @shaft

                            BSD user land (shell, utilities, etc.) is part of the distribution, and is often created and maintained by the same developers as the kernel.

                            So no AI there either.

                            Which means BSDs, in general, are more consistent and have slightly lighter utilities than Linux.

                            For example: ksh is usually a version of pdksh, and is maintained by several developers from all 3 major BSDs (if I remember well).

                            @breizh @Khrys

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                            • breizh@pleroma.breizh.pmB breizh@pleroma.breizh.pm

                              @shaft@piaille.fr @Khrys@mamot.fr There you have.

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                              Time to switch to BSD ? Well, I don't know their position.

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                              RE: https://mastodon.bsd.cafe/@grahamperrin/116220642823558416

                              @breizh re: Linux, thank you for providing the missing link to docs.kernel.org.

                              There are multiple BSD distros.

                              For FreeBSD, the quoted post might help.

                              cc @ParadeGrotesque

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                              • dallo@pouet.chapril.orgD dallo@pouet.chapril.org

                                @Khrys
                                Since I read that systemd is going to include slop, a lot of them is concern

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                                @dallo @Khrys I just saw elementary OS on the list, but they do use systemD so we will see what happens. If the Wayland session can be refined a bit more I could run it, but I do miss having an actual desktop with icons.

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                                • khrys@mamot.frK khrys@mamot.fr

                                  RT if you want a CLEAR statement about AI from all GNU/Linux distributions and are ready to quit any distribution that is ok with integrating AI slopware.

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                                  @Khrys why? For security concerns? For ethical reasons?
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                                  • milagemayvary@mstdn.socialM milagemayvary@mstdn.social

                                    @fmasy @Khrys

                                    AFAIK GNU doesn't, got a source?

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                                    @milagemayvary @fmasy @Khrys

                                    GNU Guix has its own init system, so wouldn't be immediately scuppered by the contrary position of systemd.

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                                    • khrys@mamot.frK khrys@mamot.fr

                                      RT if you want a CLEAR statement about AI from all GNU/Linux distributions and are ready to quit any distribution that is ok with integrating AI slopware.

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                                      @Khrys It's Linux. And yes.

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                                      • i@toot.pouyan.netI i@toot.pouyan.net
                                        @Khrys why? For security concerns? For ethical reasons?
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                                        @i

                                        'Now we come to the third and final novel AI psychosis, the critics' psychosis, that AI is an abnormally terrible technology. This is a species of "criti-hype," which is when critics repeat the hyped-up claims of the companies they're targeting, but as criticism'

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                                        @Khrys

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                                        • dallo@pouet.chapril.orgD dallo@pouet.chapril.org

                                          @Khrys
                                          Since I read that systemd is going to include slop, a lot of them is concern

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                                          @dallo @Khrys That ship sailed a long time ago. Systemd has always been slop. To the point of actually proposing changes to the kernel command line to hack around bugs in systemd rather than fix them, which earned quite the colorful response from Linus.

                                          But that's what is widely used so ... well, whatever. I figure if that's how you be you may as well use AI. Do the JIRA shuffle on fast forward.

                                          vOv

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