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  • sarae@ecoevo.socialS sarae@ecoevo.social

    seeing another round of "don't favorite posts on fedi"

    folks it is a kind and lovely thing to favorite someone's post and anyone who tells you not to be kind and lovely has told you something about themself

    it's true that it doesn't particulary increase the distribution of your post but the idea that we're all here to get things distributed as far as possible is pretty weird

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    #111

    @sarae
    Excuse me, what the fuck?

    Why wouldn't I favorite a post that I like? It shows the person who posted it that I like it.

    And it shows up in my favorites list.
    Clicking the 'fav' button has zero downsides. Why would anyone discourage its usage?

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    • sarae@ecoevo.socialS sarae@ecoevo.social

      seeing another round of "don't favorite posts on fedi"

      folks it is a kind and lovely thing to favorite someone's post and anyone who tells you not to be kind and lovely has told you something about themself

      it's true that it doesn't particulary increase the distribution of your post but the idea that we're all here to get things distributed as far as possible is pretty weird

      taylor@social.axfive.netT This user is from outside of this forum
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      #112

      @sarae I see it largely as the Fedi equivalent of nodding as you pass somebody on the street. We are both humans and I acknowledge your existence in a more-positive-than-neutral way.

      I don't see the problem. It's not some great kindness, but it's doesn't hurt either. Reminds me of the Nirvana fallacy, though it doesn't fit exactly. Doing something mildly nice is seen as a bad thing, even though it's better than nothing, because it's not as good as it could have been.

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      • sarae@ecoevo.socialS sarae@ecoevo.social

        seeing another round of "don't favorite posts on fedi"

        folks it is a kind and lovely thing to favorite someone's post and anyone who tells you not to be kind and lovely has told you something about themself

        it's true that it doesn't particulary increase the distribution of your post but the idea that we're all here to get things distributed as far as possible is pretty weird

        thattagen@mastodon.artT This user is from outside of this forum
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        #113

        @sarae I often see the same attitude on Tumblr: "Oh you can just do your own thing, we don't interact with posts here."

        Sounds good on paper and maybe even a little positive until you realize you desperately want a sign that your audience is out there and that you are seen.

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        • taylor@social.axfive.netT This user is from outside of this forum
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          #114

          @kichae @sarae I might be wrong, but I vaguely remember some Fedi software having the option to prune old remote posts from the database, and it retains favorited, replied-to, and boosted posts.

          I wish GoToSocial would do that.

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          • taylor@social.axfive.netT taylor@social.axfive.net

            @kichae @sarae I might be wrong, but I vaguely remember some Fedi software having the option to prune old remote posts from the database, and it retains favorited, replied-to, and boosted posts.

            I wish GoToSocial would do that.

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            #115

            taylor
            Misskey and its spinoffs work that way, IIRC.

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            • foobarsoft@mastodon.socialF foobarsoft@mastodon.social

              @sarae Feels a bit like this may tell you something about the people who say that. That they don’t see value unless it’s something that expands someone’s reach. A bit of the “influencer” mindset.

              What’s wrong with just saying “I like this!”?

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              #116

              @foobarsoft I appreciate the irony of boosting this and to make up for it I've bookmarked it. In six months I'll be looking for something I bookmarked, stumble on your post, and agree with it all over again.

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              • tykayn@mastodon.cipherbliss.comT tykayn@mastodon.cipherbliss.com

                @sarae fav to this!

                however i saw some studies that show that faving decreases the dialogue between people, which turns to more isolation, which is not the most we expect from social medias

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                #117

                @tykayn when I get a favourite it's an excuse to nose around a stranger's posts and bio, or reminds me to catch up on a follower's posts I might have missed. Favs can lead to serendipity!

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                • gloriouscow@oldbytes.spaceG gloriouscow@oldbytes.space

                  @sarae this is fun to see because when I first joined fedi i saw things like "If all you do is boost things i will unfollow you"

                  bytex64@awesome.gardenB This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #118

                  @gloriouscow @sarae I think the idea is you should try to participate in the conversation with some original posts, too. But that really assumes some things about how other people work. Some people are only here to lurk and curate and I have found a lot of people that way.

                  Would much rather have someone whose feed is 100% boosts than any proportion of chronic complaining.

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                  • sarae@ecoevo.socialS sarae@ecoevo.social

                    seeing another round of "don't favorite posts on fedi"

                    folks it is a kind and lovely thing to favorite someone's post and anyone who tells you not to be kind and lovely has told you something about themself

                    it's true that it doesn't particulary increase the distribution of your post but the idea that we're all here to get things distributed as far as possible is pretty weird

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                    #119

                    @sarae I appreciate getting "favorite" notifications, even if it doesn't mean the post gets any further.

                    I think of favorite as "I appreciate seeing this" and boost as "more people should see this".

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                    • sarae@ecoevo.socialS sarae@ecoevo.social

                      seeing another round of "don't favorite posts on fedi"

                      folks it is a kind and lovely thing to favorite someone's post and anyone who tells you not to be kind and lovely has told you something about themself

                      it's true that it doesn't particulary increase the distribution of your post but the idea that we're all here to get things distributed as far as possible is pretty weird

                      a@pdx.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #120

                      @sarae @Flux “But there’s no algorithm to game!” Who cares? I don’t laugh for the algorithm. I’m not giving someone a high five to increase distribution. What a weird idea.

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                      • sarae@ecoevo.socialS sarae@ecoevo.social

                        seeing another round of "don't favorite posts on fedi"

                        folks it is a kind and lovely thing to favorite someone's post and anyone who tells you not to be kind and lovely has told you something about themself

                        it's true that it doesn't particulary increase the distribution of your post but the idea that we're all here to get things distributed as far as possible is pretty weird

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                        #121

                        @IrrationalMethod @sarae Favoriting people's posts is fun!

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                        • sarae@ecoevo.socialS sarae@ecoevo.social

                          seeing another round of "don't favorite posts on fedi"

                          folks it is a kind and lovely thing to favorite someone's post and anyone who tells you not to be kind and lovely has told you something about themself

                          it's true that it doesn't particulary increase the distribution of your post but the idea that we're all here to get things distributed as far as possible is pretty weird

                          adaraastin@supervolcano.angryshark.euA This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #122

                          @sarae The overall kindness and loveliness on fedi is one of my favourite things about being here.

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                          • foobarsoft@mastodon.socialF foobarsoft@mastodon.social

                            @sarae Feels a bit like this may tell you something about the people who say that. That they don’t see value unless it’s something that expands someone’s reach. A bit of the “influencer” mindset.

                            What’s wrong with just saying “I like this!”?

                            iwritelike@mastodon.socialI This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #123

                            @foobarsoft @sarae I had to re-read to understand what the attitude even meant. I'm new here after having spent some time on an algorithm-driven platform, and it's here that "liking" a post started to make sense.

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                            • iwritelike@mastodon.socialI iwritelike@mastodon.social

                              @foobarsoft @sarae I had to re-read to understand what the attitude even meant. I'm new here after having spent some time on an algorithm-driven platform, and it's here that "liking" a post started to make sense.

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                              eltheanine@the.teabag.ninja
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                              #124
                              quite right. If everyone boosted everything they "liked" I would be swamped in noise and just give up. People curating the thigns the reshare is helpful; I often boost a single post from a thread, but like several others. Sometimes I just like the post, because I genuinely like the post - but don;t neccessarily thing I need to share that thing with everyone that follows me.

                              I often find new folks to follow from seeing other replies in my feed from and going to the thread - a singular boost give zero context, whereas seeing that reply frmo someone I already follow means they found reason to engage with this other person, so I check them out.

                              CC: @foobarsoft@mastodon.social @sarae@ecoevo.social
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                              • sarae@ecoevo.socialS sarae@ecoevo.social

                                seeing another round of "don't favorite posts on fedi"

                                folks it is a kind and lovely thing to favorite someone's post and anyone who tells you not to be kind and lovely has told you something about themself

                                it's true that it doesn't particulary increase the distribution of your post but the idea that we're all here to get things distributed as far as possible is pretty weird

                                kaliranya@vtuber.houseK This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #125

                                @sarae I've also seen "don't boost", because supposedly boosting is how servers run up their storage use and become too expensive to maintain 😅

                                So the only means of interaction remaining to me is to reply, hello

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                                • adaraastin@supervolcano.angryshark.euA adaraastin@supervolcano.angryshark.eu

                                  @sarae The overall kindness and loveliness on fedi is one of my favourite things about being here.

                                  serge@babka.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #126

                                  @AdaraAstin

                                  That must be nice. Overall what my users and I get on a daily basis is abuse and harassment.

                                  @sarae

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                                  • sarae@ecoevo.socialS sarae@ecoevo.social

                                    seeing another round of "don't favorite posts on fedi"

                                    folks it is a kind and lovely thing to favorite someone's post and anyone who tells you not to be kind and lovely has told you something about themself

                                    it's true that it doesn't particulary increase the distribution of your post but the idea that we're all here to get things distributed as far as possible is pretty weird

                                    ferricoxide@blahaj.zoneF This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #127

                                    @sarae@ecoevo.social

                                    I have four, mutually-exclusive responses to posts (most- to least-common):

                                    * Comment (such as this, obivously)
                                    * Quote re-share (if I feel I have anything to add, especially a "why I reshared")
                                    * "Naked" re-share
                                    * Like/emoji (when I want to convey my feelings about a post but don't feel the post warrants a re-share)

                                    I guess my feeling is, that if I comment or re-share, liking seems kind of redundant? Which is to say, doing one of the other things is an implied "like".

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                                    • serge@babka.socialS serge@babka.social

                                      @AdaraAstin

                                      That must be nice. Overall what my users and I get on a daily basis is abuse and harassment.

                                      @sarae

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                                      #128

                                      @serge I'm sorry to hear that, Serge. I have been a moderator in online spaces in the past, and I know it's a huge and difficult job. I have the positive experience I do here in no small part because of the collective moderation efforts on Fedi and I'm grateful for all that instance admins and moderators do. It's largely invisible work that makes Fedi possible for the rest of us.

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                                      • thattagen@mastodon.artT thattagen@mastodon.art

                                        @sarae I often see the same attitude on Tumblr: "Oh you can just do your own thing, we don't interact with posts here."

                                        Sounds good on paper and maybe even a little positive until you realize you desperately want a sign that your audience is out there and that you are seen.

                                        thattagen@mastodon.artT This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #129

                                        @sarae of course I write this the day before Tumblr decides to blow up their whole notes system by splitting notes between individual reblogs. Tumblr, why are you like this?

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                                        • sarae@ecoevo.socialS sarae@ecoevo.social

                                          seeing another round of "don't favorite posts on fedi"

                                          folks it is a kind and lovely thing to favorite someone's post and anyone who tells you not to be kind and lovely has told you something about themself

                                          it's true that it doesn't particulary increase the distribution of your post but the idea that we're all here to get things distributed as far as possible is pretty weird

                                          soozcat@vmst.ioS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          #130

                                          @sarae "Don't like posts on fedi" is about as useful advice as "don't randomly smile at people on the street." The whole point of going to fedi was being able to do what I wanted. I'm going to give people the online equivalent of a friendly (or sometimes wry) smile if I feel like it.

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