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  3. In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse.

In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse.

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  • strandjunker@mstdn.socialS strandjunker@mstdn.social

    In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. It just didn’t seem plausible.

    Anyway, I’ve seen enough. I get it now.

    netraven@hear-me.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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    @Strandjunker but wait, there's more.

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    • strandjunker@mstdn.socialS strandjunker@mstdn.social

      In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. It just didn’t seem plausible.

      Anyway, I’ve seen enough. I get it now.

      thriftwicker@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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      @Strandjunker Advanced is subjective.

      When I look around at society I tend to doubt the enlightenment was ever a thing.

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      • hendrikstier@chaos.socialH hendrikstier@chaos.social

        @Strandjunker advanced -> ad vance? cannot be good 😬

        makja@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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        @hendrikstier @Strandjunker where does the "d" go? His couch?

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        • strandjunker@mstdn.socialS strandjunker@mstdn.social

          In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. It just didn’t seem plausible.

          Anyway, I’ve seen enough. I get it now.

          bolt@thecanadian.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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          @Strandjunker Jared Diamond's 2005 'Collapse' book is much more readable than his 'Guns, Germs and Steel' and walks though some historical collapse scenarios. It has been over a decade since I read it so I'm sure the field has evolved and i might be misremembering, but the main gist I recall is there are too many rich people in advanced societies and too much pressure gets put on ecological systems that allowed the civ to succeed in the first place.

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          • strandjunker@mstdn.socialS strandjunker@mstdn.social

            In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. It just didn’t seem plausible.

            Anyway, I’ve seen enough. I get it now.

            ericbono@exquisite.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
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            @Strandjunker

            I read 700 pages of frickin Jacques Barzun for this‽

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            • makja@mastodon.socialM makja@mastodon.social

              @hendrikstier @Strandjunker where does the "d" go? His couch?

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              @makja @Strandjunker stochastically…

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              • strandjunker@mstdn.socialS strandjunker@mstdn.social

                In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. It just didn’t seem plausible.

                Anyway, I’ve seen enough. I get it now.

                fishnameddog@mastodon.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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                @Strandjunker can't decide if the US government is currently being more or less ridiculous than the Romans appointing a horse to the Senate

                ewrksc@ohai.socialE transitbiker@urbanists.socialT kj6evv@mastodon.hams.socialK wingedsnake@mastodon.berlinW 4 Replies Last reply
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                • strandjunker@mstdn.socialS strandjunker@mstdn.social

                  In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. It just didn’t seem plausible.

                  Anyway, I’ve seen enough. I get it now.

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                  @Strandjunker

                  Greed and Climate Change work together well.

                  Stay tuned.

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                  • strandjunker@mstdn.socialS strandjunker@mstdn.social

                    In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. It just didn’t seem plausible.

                    Anyway, I’ve seen enough. I get it now.

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                    @Strandjunker

                    Evil, greed, hate and stupidity for the perfect ingredients for it.... always have been...

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                    • fishnameddog@mastodon.socialF fishnameddog@mastodon.social

                      @Strandjunker can't decide if the US government is currently being more or less ridiculous than the Romans appointing a horse to the Senate

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                      @FishNamedDog @Strandjunker (leaving aside the reality of Inciatius' term in the Senate), Caligula was Emperor in the 30's AD; Alaric's sack of Rome wasn't until four centuries later.

                      Settle in for the long haul, is what I'm saying

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                      • fishnameddog@mastodon.socialF fishnameddog@mastodon.social

                        @Strandjunker can't decide if the US government is currently being more or less ridiculous than the Romans appointing a horse to the Senate

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                        @FishNamedDog @Strandjunker republicans are putting on a coup that superficially resembles a hapless clown show. Was the horse part of a coup attempt?

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                        • strandjunker@mstdn.socialS strandjunker@mstdn.social

                          In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. It just didn’t seem plausible.

                          Anyway, I’ve seen enough. I get it now.

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                          @Strandjunker but just imagine the value we’re creating for shareholders!

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                          • strandjunker@mstdn.socialS strandjunker@mstdn.social

                            In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. It just didn’t seem plausible.

                            Anyway, I’ve seen enough. I get it now.

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                            @Strandjunker It all feels like a house of cards, doesn't it?

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                            • strandjunker@mstdn.socialS strandjunker@mstdn.social

                              In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. It just didn’t seem plausible.

                              Anyway, I’ve seen enough. I get it now.

                              hatter@metasocial.comH This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @Strandjunker Those who don't learn from history...

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                              • geepawhill@mastodon.socialG geepawhill@mastodon.social

                                @Strandjunker Yeah. "Oh."

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                                @GeePawHill @Strandjunker on so many topics lately 😞

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                                • transitbiker@urbanists.socialT transitbiker@urbanists.social

                                  @FishNamedDog @Strandjunker republicans are putting on a coup that superficially resembles a hapless clown show. Was the horse part of a coup attempt?

                                  airtower@woem.menA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @TransitBiker@urbanists.social @FishNamedDog@mastodon.social @Strandjunker@mstdn.social More a way for the emperor to insult the senators, kinda like "You think you're the top of Rome, but you can't tell me what to do any more than this horse can!"

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                                  • airtower@woem.menA airtower@woem.men

                                    @TransitBiker@urbanists.social @FishNamedDog@mastodon.social @Strandjunker@mstdn.social More a way for the emperor to insult the senators, kinda like "You think you're the top of Rome, but you can't tell me what to do any more than this horse can!"

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                                    @TransitBiker@urbanists.social @Strandjunker@mstdn.social @FishNamedDog@mastodon.social It's questionable if that exact thing actually happened, but it fits into how after the first two the emperors increasingly stopped pretending the republic was still intact and they were just the most influential senators (with a ridiculous amount of other offices/honors). The coup against the republic was long done by then (though there were many to become emperor instead of the emperor).

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                                    • strandjunker@mstdn.socialS strandjunker@mstdn.social

                                      In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. It just didn’t seem plausible.

                                      Anyway, I’ve seen enough. I get it now.

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                                      @Strandjunker
                                      It's amazing how resilient we've been to external threats, but how vulnerable we are to internal ones, all because of peer pressure cowardice.

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                                      • strandjunker@mstdn.socialS strandjunker@mstdn.social

                                        In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. It just didn’t seem plausible.

                                        Anyway, I’ve seen enough. I get it now.

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                                        @Strandjunker Fair enough.

                                        “Computer, end simulation.”

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                                        • strandjunker@mstdn.socialS strandjunker@mstdn.social

                                          In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. It just didn’t seem plausible.

                                          Anyway, I’ve seen enough. I get it now.

                                          whynothugo@fosstodon.orgW This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          @Strandjunker Advanced civilisations collapse in the same way that wise old men die. It's not only plausible, it's the natural order of things.

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