<![CDATA[In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse.]]>In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. It just didn’t seem plausible.

Anyway, I’ve seen enough. I get it now.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/topic/35a40346-9b72-4ee8-a2fc-adab10b1851d/in-history-class-i-never-understood-how-advanced-civilizations-could-collapse.RSS for NodeFri, 15 May 2026 02:27:50 GMTMon, 11 May 2026 20:15:48 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. on Tue, 12 May 2026 13:17:31 GMT]]>@Strandjunker I remember during first couple years of COVID totally revising my evaluation that most zombie apocalypse shows were unrealistic in the poor government responses. Never though all those countries would be out thought by brainless zombies.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/CliffsEsport/statuses/116561795572913701https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/CliffsEsport/statuses/116561795572913701Tue, 12 May 2026 13:17:31 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. on Tue, 12 May 2026 10:58:09 GMT]]>@Strandjunker I read several articles here on M from what I think are serious sources. "Empires collapsing " or "Dark ages¨. Some suggest that was bad for the VVIP-class perhaps. But the lower ranks in society perhaps never knew what happened. Water was streaming down-hilll anyway, birds laying their eggs. Men farming, hunting, women taking care about the house and fermenting. At the end of the Roman Empire and later, genes from N and S European tribes mixed well. Dark Ages ? At night, yes 🙂

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://NerdJoy.social/users/hanktank61/statuses/116561247549815430https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://NerdJoy.social/users/hanktank61/statuses/116561247549815430Tue, 12 May 2026 10:58:09 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. on Tue, 12 May 2026 06:29:46 GMT]]>@Strandjunker I understood it. As a teen, I was absolutely certain that the US would lose its position someday. My hope was that I would die of natural causes before it started to happen. But I have been watching for the signs ever since then. I know the general trajectory, so it's not that hard to see when it's happening.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/mweiss/statuses/116560192216855006https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/mweiss/statuses/116560192216855006Tue, 12 May 2026 06:29:46 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. on Tue, 12 May 2026 06:23:56 GMT]]>@Strandjunker the key to understanding is definitely the quote marks

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.me.uk/users/fishidwardrobe/statuses/116560169319476983https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.me.uk/users/fishidwardrobe/statuses/116560169319476983Tue, 12 May 2026 06:23:56 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. on Tue, 12 May 2026 06:10:49 GMT]]>@bnuybot @Strandjunker sadly yes

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.berlin/users/WingedSnake/statuses/116560117699538063https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.berlin/users/WingedSnake/statuses/116560117699538063Tue, 12 May 2026 06:10:49 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. on Tue, 12 May 2026 06:10:20 GMT]]>@tompearce49 @LordCaramac @Strandjunker sure!

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.berlin/users/WingedSnake/statuses/116560115801864090https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.berlin/users/WingedSnake/statuses/116560115801864090Tue, 12 May 2026 06:10:20 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. on Tue, 12 May 2026 06:10:00 GMT]]>@LordCaramac @Strandjunker precise

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.berlin/users/WingedSnake/statuses/116560114493589399https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.berlin/users/WingedSnake/statuses/116560114493589399Tue, 12 May 2026 06:10:00 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. on Tue, 12 May 2026 06:08:38 GMT]]>@FishNamedDog @Strandjunker tyvm, lying laughing

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.berlin/users/WingedSnake/statuses/116560109156566090https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.berlin/users/WingedSnake/statuses/116560109156566090Tue, 12 May 2026 06:08:38 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. on Tue, 12 May 2026 06:07:43 GMT]]>@israajamal @Strandjunker right!

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.berlin/users/WingedSnake/statuses/116560105509345544https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.berlin/users/WingedSnake/statuses/116560105509345544Tue, 12 May 2026 06:07:43 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. on Tue, 12 May 2026 06:07:20 GMT]]>@hendrikstier @Strandjunker roflol

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.berlin/users/WingedSnake/statuses/116560104027325309https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.berlin/users/WingedSnake/statuses/116560104027325309Tue, 12 May 2026 06:07:20 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. on Tue, 12 May 2026 06:07:03 GMT]]>@Strandjunker me, too

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.berlin/users/WingedSnake/statuses/116560102893737022https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.berlin/users/WingedSnake/statuses/116560102893737022Tue, 12 May 2026 06:07:03 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. on Tue, 12 May 2026 06:03:33 GMT]]>@Strandjunker

Remember it wasn’t that long ago that it became a thing that apparently men were thinking of the Romans at least once a day…women were reported as being baffled by this.

As a woman who has a little appreciation of history I could see the Romans were indeed inventive, but then so were the ancient Chinese, Mesopotamians and Egyptians.

But there seemed to be no interest in popular (masculine) debate about how the Roman Empire fell, just its technological achievements. Why?

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mstdn.social/users/JugglingWithEggs/statuses/116560089160830400https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mstdn.social/users/JugglingWithEggs/statuses/116560089160830400Tue, 12 May 2026 06:03:33 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. on Tue, 12 May 2026 05:00:51 GMT]]>@Strandjunker time causes even the fabric of the universe to collapse eventually. With so few ways to go about the good and so much variety in the bad, those hands don't need to do any work. Nobody gets to be surprised.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://gaygeek.social/users/bnuybot/statuses/116559842589639229https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://gaygeek.social/users/bnuybot/statuses/116559842589639229Tue, 12 May 2026 05:00:51 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. on Tue, 12 May 2026 04:24:37 GMT]]>@Strandjunker

sad thing that advanced i tech does not correlate to advanced in mind

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/utf_7/statuses/116559700161387474https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/utf_7/statuses/116559700161387474Tue, 12 May 2026 04:24:37 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. on Tue, 12 May 2026 04:21:10 GMT]]>@TheOneDoc @Strandjunker Fail is a strong word. Maybe “transform”? Russia has been acting imperial for centuries. It was an empire in the 1709s. It subjugated its neighbours for various reasons, geography and food access for eg.

Take Finland… since 1809, it has been annexed by Russia, achieved independence, then lost a chunk of territory to the USSR (heavily Russian power structure in the USSR)

The USSR lost dominance over its neighbours in the 90’s. The Russian SFSR became the Russian Federation

They’ve started wars with Chechnya, Geogria, and Ukraine. While suppressing non-Russian minorities within Russia.

They’re influencing the Iran war.

Russia still sounds hella imperial to me

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://norcal.social/users/Edgar/statuses/116559686571687408https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://norcal.social/users/Edgar/statuses/116559686571687408Tue, 12 May 2026 04:21:10 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. on Tue, 12 May 2026 03:01:36 GMT]]>@FishNamedDog @Strandjunker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhkZMxgPxXU "There's a horse in the hospital!"

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.hams.social/users/kj6evv/statuses/116559373703725498https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.hams.social/users/kj6evv/statuses/116559373703725498Tue, 12 May 2026 03:01:36 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. on Tue, 12 May 2026 02:44:34 GMT]]>@Strandjunker 💯

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/kcarruthers/statuses/116559306718009790https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/kcarruthers/statuses/116559306718009790Tue, 12 May 2026 02:44:34 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. on Tue, 12 May 2026 02:30:07 GMT]]>@Strandjunker Every civilisation collapses eventually, for different reasons. Quite often the system cannot maintain its complexity any longer because the complexity costs keep growing while the resources dwindle, and often the system tries to solve the problem by adding another layer of even more complexity because that was the thing that had always worked in the past.
Once you stop looking at civilisation as a human endeavour run by a bunch of experts and thinkers and begin to look at it as a self-organising complex system consisting of all kinds of humans, most of whom don't really know what they're doing and just repeating what seemed to work in the past, you begin to realise that every civilisation eventually crosses the point of no return where collapse becomes inevitable. The Industrial Age is quite likely already beyond saving, we crossed the line some twenty years ago.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://discordian.social/users/LordCaramac/statuses/116559249875420264https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://discordian.social/users/LordCaramac/statuses/116559249875420264Tue, 12 May 2026 02:30:07 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. on Tue, 12 May 2026 02:27:04 GMT]]>@Strandjunker

I still don't get it. I'm a news junkie in the US, and I still don't understand what I'm seeing, even though it's all around me. It just makes no sense

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://zeroes.ca/users/NilaJones/statuses/116559237923471734https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://zeroes.ca/users/NilaJones/statuses/116559237923471734Tue, 12 May 2026 02:27:04 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. on Tue, 12 May 2026 02:04:32 GMT]]>@TheOneDoc @Strandjunker At least we got quite few recent examples, like USSR in the 90's as well.
So better documented than ancient ones like roman empire, bronze age, …]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://queer.hacktivis.me/objects/e8551345-74d1-4bb9-94aa-5e6ad47083fchttps://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://queer.hacktivis.me/objects/e8551345-74d1-4bb9-94aa-5e6ad47083fcTue, 12 May 2026 02:04:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. on Tue, 12 May 2026 01:56:07 GMT]]>@Strandjunker Advanced civilisations collapse in the same way that wise old men die. It's not only plausible, it's the natural order of things.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://fosstodon.org/users/whynothugo/statuses/116559116186083415https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://fosstodon.org/users/whynothugo/statuses/116559116186083415Tue, 12 May 2026 01:56:07 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. on Tue, 12 May 2026 01:43:45 GMT]]>@Strandjunker Fair enough.

“Computer, end simulation.”

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mas.to/users/Kimota94/statuses/116559067606937611https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mas.to/users/Kimota94/statuses/116559067606937611Tue, 12 May 2026 01:43:45 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. on Tue, 12 May 2026 01:18:25 GMT]]>@Strandjunker
It's amazing how resilient we've been to external threats, but how vulnerable we are to internal ones, all because of peer pressure cowardice.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.linux.pizza/users/stargazersmith/statuses/116558967994397268https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.linux.pizza/users/stargazersmith/statuses/116558967994397268Tue, 12 May 2026 01:18:25 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. on Tue, 12 May 2026 01:15:23 GMT]]>@TransitBiker@urbanists.social @Strandjunker@mstdn.social @FishNamedDog@mastodon.social It's questionable if that exact thing actually happened, but it fits into how after the first two the emperors increasingly stopped pretending the republic was still intact and they were just the most influential senators (with a ridiculous amount of other offices/honors). The coup against the republic was long done by then (though there were many to become emperor instead of the emperor).

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://woem.men/notes/am5i6lanzcds000khttps://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://woem.men/notes/am5i6lanzcds000kTue, 12 May 2026 01:15:23 GMT