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  • benny@kirche.socialB benny@kirche.social

    @ReggieHere @benroyce @vfrmedia @metaphil @fj wait just a few more years and their funding from Moscow will have dried up.

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    #93

    @benny

    Fingers crossed.

    I can't help wondering whether Orwell's world map in 1984 is becoming a reality....

    @benroyce @vfrmedia @metaphil @fj

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    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

      @urlyman @electropict @ReggieHere @vfrmedia @metaphil @fj

      to be honest with you what i'm really saying is i resent the authoritarian - libertarian axis

      1. libertarianism (in the usa) is not social libertarianism it's right wing economic libertarianism. useful fools for plutocrats since less economic control means the rich win

      2. i don't believe in an authoritarian left. yes it's a thing but i see only fascists who haven't fully worked out the contradictions in their thinking. tankies suck

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      #94

      @benroyce @urlyman @electropict @ReggieHere @vfrmedia @metaphil @fj

      We have local, Welsh and Scottish elections here on May 7. I got a leaflet from the Independent Socialist candidate for my Scottish constituency. It's full of the usual things you might expect, but clearly also pro-Russian.

      Ukraine can't win and 'the Russian threat isn't credible' (in bold). We should 'negotiate a non-aggression pact with Russia. Buy cheap Russian energy.'

      Definitely tankie. I'm voting SNP1, Green2.

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      • urlyman@mastodon.socialU urlyman@mastodon.social

        @benroyce @ReggieHere @vfrmedia @metaphil @fj

        Me neither but this map of it has stayed with me https://mastodon.social/@urlyman/114437610906205685

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        @urlyman @benroyce

        Wow. 😳
        Does anyone know if such a mapping exists for #Deutschland #Parteien #Wähler_innen?

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        • benny@kirche.socialB benny@kirche.social

          @project1enigma @CannaParts @stf @fj Exactly what I though. What do you think, can we create a movement that will install carousels on each Schengen Area three countries meeting point? Could use a slogan like "freedom all around"

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          @project1enigma @CannaParts @stf @fj Just tried to look some up, seems a lot of them are either on a mountain peak or in a body of water...

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          • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

            💗 Schengen

            “Have you ever wanted to fly across a border more than 40 times in one minute? No? As of last month, you can do it anyway: By hopping on a swing in the towns of Baarle-Hertog-Nassau, you can fly from the Netherlands into Belgium and back.”

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            Borders are a construct, but this swing isn't

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            #97

            @fj
            Imagine this with border check: a child constantly showing its passport and two officers consrantly watching.

            Funny thought and a little bit creepy.

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            • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

              💗 Schengen

              “Have you ever wanted to fly across a border more than 40 times in one minute? No? As of last month, you can do it anyway: By hopping on a swing in the towns of Baarle-Hertog-Nassau, you can fly from the Netherlands into Belgium and back.”

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              Borders are a construct, but this swing isn't

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              @fj This is brilliant and such a nice way to mark a border.

              Until now I thought the "art border" between Switzerland and Germany is a nice symbol for a merging Europe but the swing tops it!

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              • reggiehere@mastodon.socialR reggiehere@mastodon.social

                @benroyce

                Eysenck used the terms 'tenderminded' and 'toughminded' in place of libertarian/authoritarian if that helps?

                @urlyman @electropict @vfrmedia @metaphil @fj

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                @ReggieHere @electropict @vfrmedia @metaphil @fj @urlyman

                you know...

                i can totally get behind that

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                • riggbeck@mastodon.socialR riggbeck@mastodon.social

                  @benroyce @urlyman @electropict @ReggieHere @vfrmedia @metaphil @fj

                  We have local, Welsh and Scottish elections here on May 7. I got a leaflet from the Independent Socialist candidate for my Scottish constituency. It's full of the usual things you might expect, but clearly also pro-Russian.

                  Ukraine can't win and 'the Russian threat isn't credible' (in bold). We should 'negotiate a non-aggression pact with Russia. Buy cheap Russian energy.'

                  Definitely tankie. I'm voting SNP1, Green2.

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                  @riggbeck @urlyman @electropict @ReggieHere @vfrmedia @metaphil @fj

                  i don't quite understand why people don't immediately see that tankies aren't on the left. they are obviously fake in some cases. in other cases, extremely deluded people who are somewhere on a midpoint in their ideological journey from a left background to becoming outright right wing fascists. a scam or future MAGA, that is all tankies are

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                    @electropict @benroyce @urlyman @ReggieHere @vfrmedia @metaphil @fj FWIW, I believe The Political Compass' methodology is to keep the same metrics and scale, allowing results to be compared over time. This allows, e.g., UK Labour's shift to the authoritarian right to be tracked, rather than them being portrayed as vaguely centre, or even leftwing, as rightwing rags and social media platforms normalise extremist, authoritarian political discourse.

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                    • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                      💗 Schengen

                      “Have you ever wanted to fly across a border more than 40 times in one minute? No? As of last month, you can do it anyway: By hopping on a swing in the towns of Baarle-Hertog-Nassau, you can fly from the Netherlands into Belgium and back.”

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                      Borders are a construct, but this swing isn't

                      Have you ever wanted to fly across a border more than 40 times in one minute? No? As of last month, you can do it anyway: By hopping on a swing in the

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                      The European Correspondent (europeancorrespondent.com)

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                      #102

                      @fj still have to remember to get a childrens passport for kids who want to use that swing 😅

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                      • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                        @riggbeck @urlyman @electropict @ReggieHere @vfrmedia @metaphil @fj

                        i don't quite understand why people don't immediately see that tankies aren't on the left. they are obviously fake in some cases. in other cases, extremely deluded people who are somewhere on a midpoint in their ideological journey from a left background to becoming outright right wing fascists. a scam or future MAGA, that is all tankies are

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                        @benroyce @urlyman @electropict @ReggieHere @vfrmedia @metaphil @fj

                        That sounds a bit like the No True Scotsman fallacy. I think you can take different political positions, place them on the left/right spectrum, and still find arseholes everywhere. For example, were the Bolsheviks socialist or fascist? The government founded by them created a tyranny.

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                        • riggbeck@mastodon.socialR riggbeck@mastodon.social

                          @benroyce @urlyman @electropict @ReggieHere @vfrmedia @metaphil @fj

                          That sounds a bit like the No True Scotsman fallacy. I think you can take different political positions, place them on the left/right spectrum, and still find arseholes everywhere. For example, were the Bolsheviks socialist or fascist? The government founded by them created a tyranny.

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                          @riggbeck @urlyman @electropict @ReggieHere @vfrmedia @metaphil @fj

                          no because the no true scotsman fallacy is an appeal to purity. as if tankies aren't pure leftists because they embrace authortarianism

                          but i am rejecting the classification of tankies on the left entirely. i'm not saying they are impure leftists, i am saying they aren't even leftists at all. either liars: agent provocateurs, or delusional idiots who haven't worked out the contradictions in what they say they believe

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                          • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                            💗 Schengen

                            “Have you ever wanted to fly across a border more than 40 times in one minute? No? As of last month, you can do it anyway: By hopping on a swing in the towns of Baarle-Hertog-Nassau, you can fly from the Netherlands into Belgium and back.”

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                            Borders are a construct, but this swing isn't

                            Have you ever wanted to fly across a border more than 40 times in one minute? No? As of last month, you can do it anyway: By hopping on a swing in the

                            favicon

                            The European Correspondent (europeancorrespondent.com)

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                            @fj luckily this is not on the border to Germany because there you would then have to show your passport 20 times per minute. Thanks #Dobrinth !

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                              @electropict @ReggieHere @vfrmedia @metaphil @fj @urlyman

                              well said

                              i'd frame it as:

                              moderation in all things...

                              including moderation

                              sometimes it is the right thing to do to go absolutist. depending on context. certainly not most of the time, not even some of the time. just those rare instances. such as on the very discussion of tolerance itself, which leads one to the position that intolerance must absolutely not be tolerated. which can be confusing, but works if you think it out

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                              • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                @riggbeck @urlyman @electropict @ReggieHere @vfrmedia @metaphil @fj

                                no because the no true scotsman fallacy is an appeal to purity. as if tankies aren't pure leftists because they embrace authortarianism

                                but i am rejecting the classification of tankies on the left entirely. i'm not saying they are impure leftists, i am saying they aren't even leftists at all. either liars: agent provocateurs, or delusional idiots who haven't worked out the contradictions in what they say they believe

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                                @benroyce @urlyman @electropict @ReggieHere @vfrmedia @metaphil @fj

                                If I had posted the full text of the Independent Socialist leaflet, and just left out the tankie bits, he would come across as a genuine socialist.

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                                • riggbeck@mastodon.socialR riggbeck@mastodon.social

                                  @benroyce @urlyman @electropict @ReggieHere @vfrmedia @metaphil @fj

                                  If I had posted the full text of the Independent Socialist leaflet, and just left out the tankie bits, he would come across as a genuine socialist.

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                                  @riggbeck @urlyman @electropict @ReggieHere @vfrmedia @metaphil @fj

                                  you can do that with anything

                                  i can write a leaflet with electrifying glorious statements of environmentalism... then conclude with: lets consume more oil

                                  you'd call that lying or delusional

                                  not impure

                                  the issue is disqualifying beliefs that places one firmly outside of a category, not impurity within a category

                                  thus, anyone who believes in tyranny over the people, on behalf of the people, are working a lying contradiction

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                                  • warpinwolf@mastodon.egroc.deW warpinwolf@mastodon.egroc.de

                                    @fj luckily this is not on the border to Germany because there you would then have to show your passport 20 times per minute. Thanks #Dobrinth !

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                                    @WarpinWolf @fj

                                    I would think a passport would only be required if touching down in a country. This would just be flying through their airspace, which I would not expect to require a passport.

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