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Pizza Hut's AI system caused 'cascading' problems and $100M in damages, franchisee alleges in new suithttps://www.businessinsider.com/pizza-hut-ai-system-dragontail-lawsuit-franchisee-2026-5

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  • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

    Pizza Hut's AI system caused 'cascading' problems and $100M in damages, franchisee alleges in new suit
    https://www.businessinsider.com/pizza-hut-ai-system-dragontail-lawsuit-franchisee-2026-5

    > A top Pizza Hut franchisee says the chain's rollout of an AI-powered delivery system turned once-speedy pizza orders into a cold, late-arriving mess — and cratered a business that had been outperforming nearly every other operator in the system.

    #AI #Hype

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    @rysiek @LoganFive Sounds like it’s more like $100m in lost revenue that was stolen from gig workers to begin with.

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    • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

      Can't wait for all the "no but it's not the AI, they implemented it wrong" replies.

      Somehow whenever slop generators are involved, however incidentally, in something that can be claimed to work, it's "AI DID A THING".

      But when they end up causing problems it's "human error" or "implemented it poorly" or some other form of good old "you're holding it wrong".

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      This rhymes closely to when the free-market capitalists complain that their policies of deregulation of financial regulation and austerity for the poor produce nothing but market crashes and more hardship it's because they didn't get to do it hard enough, not because they're the wrong policies.

      @rysiek

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      • jollysea@chaos.socialJ jollysea@chaos.social

        @rysiek I hate so-called AI, but in this case it seems to me it was more a "problem" of "giving a little more knowledge and power to delivery drivers"?

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        @jollysea the "problem" was integrating an AI boondoggle (Dragontail) poorly and without understanding the full extent of possible consequences.

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          @notyourfanboy and that exposure was caused by integrating an AI boondoggle (Dragontail) poorly and without understanding the full extent of consequences.

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          • cnr@fosstodon.orgC cnr@fosstodon.org

            @jollysea

            @rysiek 100% this. There is no mention of any AI in the whole text beside the clickbite title

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            @cnr @jollysea there are mentions of Dragontail, which is an AI startup, that got integrated (poorly), leading to that exposure.

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            • haliphax@hachyderm.ioH haliphax@hachyderm.io

              @rysiek If you read further...

              > The complaint says DoorDash drivers began waiting to batch multiple orders together after gaining virtual visibility into kitchen systems, allowing them to see when pizzas would come out of the oven.

              > Instead of immediately leaving with a completed order, the suit claims drivers waited "up to fifteen (15) minutes" for additional deliveries, increasing the time between when a pizza is removed from the oven rack and when it leaves the building to be delivered. That delay slowed deliveries, disappointed customers, and caused a sharp drop in sales, the suit says.

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              @haliphax and if you read earlier:

              > In a lawsuit filed on May 6 in Texas Business Court, franchisee Chaac Pizza Northeast accused Pizza Hut of forcing stores to adopt Dragontail, a delivery-management platform that Pizza Hut described as using artificial intelligence to "optimize" food delivery, despite what the suit calls obvious incompatibilities with Chaac's business model.

              Dragontail is an "AI" startup, so this is a case of integrating an AI boondoggle poorly leading to a bad outcome.

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              • mighty_orbot@retro.pizzaM mighty_orbot@retro.pizza

                @rysiek Not exactly right: “Instead of immediately leaving with a completed order, the suit claims drivers waited ‘up to fifteen (15) minutes’ for additional deliveries, increasing the time between when a pizza is removed from the oven rack and when it leaves the building to be delivered. The lawsuit also alleges Dashers could see tip amounts and whether orders were cash payments, making some drivers less likely to accept certain deliveries.”

                The AI software did exactly what it was supposed to do. The delivery drivers were never meant to have that much access.

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                @mighty_orbot pretty exactly right actually – AI software was integrated poorly and without properly assessing the consequences, leading to a bad outcome.

                I am going to *bet* there was someone there saying "but this will cause this exact problem" and was silenced "because AI".

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                • henrik@eliitin-some.fiH henrik@eliitin-some.fi

                  @jollysea @rysiek

                  And the root cause for the dashers to optimize is a crappy earning levels to begin with? (just a guess)

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                  @henrik @jollysea if we want to go deeper, root cause is capitalism, yes. But poorly integrating an AI boondoggle caused this particular failure, from the perspective of the company.

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                  • anygould@kind.socialA anygould@kind.social

                    @nemobis @rysiek I read that as the drivers acting rationally - they get paid by the delivery, so why not get paid for 3-4 at once? (And they don't get paid by PH, and clearly DoorDash isn't getting flak for delivering cold/late.)

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                    @anyGould @nemobis yes, and all the power to them!

                    But from the perspective of the company that's a problem, and that problem was caused by poorly integrating an AI boondoggle without assessing full extent of consequences.

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                    • feloniouspunk@beige.partyF feloniouspunk@beige.party

                      @rysiek @LoganFive Sounds like it’s more like $100m in lost revenue that was stolen from gig workers to begin with.

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                      @FeloniousPunk @LoganFive no doubt. The root cause is capitalism.

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                      • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                        Can't wait for all the "no but it's not the AI, they implemented it wrong" replies.

                        Somehow whenever slop generators are involved, however incidentally, in something that can be claimed to work, it's "AI DID A THING".

                        But when they end up causing problems it's "human error" or "implemented it poorly" or some other form of good old "you're holding it wrong".

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                        Wow that's a lot of "but actually it's not AI's fault!" responses.

                        So let me explain:
                        1. Gig workers do not get paid nearly enough
                        2. Pizza Hut decides to deploy some AI boondoggle ("Dragontail") without thinking it through, believing the BS about "optimizing delivery with AI"
                        3. Gig workers find a way to play the system
                        4. ???
                        5. Lawsuit

                        Gig workers should have been paid more in the first place, but this is still an example of how jumping on the AI hype train can screw you.

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                          @notyourfanboy as I said here:
                          https://mstdn.social/@rysiek/116600986690823575

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                          • androcat@toot.catA androcat@toot.cat

                            @jeantranscene @rysiek
                            Exactly.
                            If the tool doesn't work in your domain, do NOT use the tool in that domain.

                            Should be simple.

                            And yes, the irony of it all is that as bad as deduction is in the domain of reality, it's relatively good in computing.

                            And the fuckers go and invent a stochastic tool so they can suck just as badly in computing as deduction sucks in the real world.

                            Amazing. We´re the problem. Humanity is a fuck.

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                            @androcat @rysiek But in that case the tool did exactly what was asked. Just because an application was produced with the help of an AI doesn't mean you can blindly trust it and release it without any sort of testing. You don't do that with human developer, why should it be any different with AI.

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                            • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                              Pizza Hut's AI system caused 'cascading' problems and $100M in damages, franchisee alleges in new suit
                              https://www.businessinsider.com/pizza-hut-ai-system-dragontail-lawsuit-franchisee-2026-5

                              > A top Pizza Hut franchisee says the chain's rollout of an AI-powered delivery system turned once-speedy pizza orders into a cold, late-arriving mess — and cratered a business that had been outperforming nearly every other operator in the system.

                              #AI #Hype

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                              @rysiek
                              It improved efficiency for the drivers!

                              #AI #Hype

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                              • jeantranscene@mastodon.socialJ jeantranscene@mastodon.social

                                @androcat @rysiek But in that case the tool did exactly what was asked. Just because an application was produced with the help of an AI doesn't mean you can blindly trust it and release it without any sort of testing. You don't do that with human developer, why should it be any different with AI.

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                                @jeantranscene

                                Ultimately the issue here was that "we need something with AI" was the motivation for changing the SW.
                                Previous SW performed better, because it just did the one thing it was supposed to.
                                And then the New software tried to be optimizable, with the result that it let couriers do hostile optimization.

                                @rysiek

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                                • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                                  Pizza Hut's AI system caused 'cascading' problems and $100M in damages, franchisee alleges in new suit
                                  https://www.businessinsider.com/pizza-hut-ai-system-dragontail-lawsuit-franchisee-2026-5

                                  > A top Pizza Hut franchisee says the chain's rollout of an AI-powered delivery system turned once-speedy pizza orders into a cold, late-arriving mess — and cratered a business that had been outperforming nearly every other operator in the system.

                                  #AI #Hype

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                                  @rysiek The way this fuckup happened, reminds of a funny but true story.

                                  When I was student (half a century ago), I participated in a programming competition. (PCs didn't exist back then; we wrote programs in FORTRAN for a mainframe.) The task was to write an algorithm for a machine that returns change. The input data was how many coins and banknotes of each denomination the machine had, and a list of values it had to return. The algorithm had to be clever enough so that if it couldn't use the minimal amount of coins and banknotes, it had to switch to other amounts, using the available quantities. The condition said "process as many transactions as possible", obviously meaning the above level of cleverness.

                                  Well, one chap took the condition way too literally. His program buffered all the change requests until there were no more and *then* re-ordered them, in order to fulfill as many as possible with the available money/denominations.

                                  While it clearly "optimized" things, in real life it would have lead to idiotic delays, just like this case with drivers waiting for all the pizzas to be ready.

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                                  • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                                    Can't wait for all the "no but it's not the AI, they implemented it wrong" replies.

                                    Somehow whenever slop generators are involved, however incidentally, in something that can be claimed to work, it's "AI DID A THING".

                                    But when they end up causing problems it's "human error" or "implemented it poorly" or some other form of good old "you're holding it wrong".

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                                    @rysiek
                                    Stranger sliding in... I'm annoyed that I can't blame AI as much as I would like to, here. It does seem like it falls more under "the gig worker economy is absolute bullshit" instead of "AI fucked it up". Gig workers definitely don't get paid enough and I don't blame them for figuring out ways to game the system to optimize. They don't have to care how much the customer likes the actual food.

                                    I am amused that whoever designed the system (presumably human?) did not think about the seems-obvious ways it would get exploited, though. Perhaps they thought the AI would take care of that part. Vibe architecting ftw.

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                                    • jeantranscene@mastodon.socialJ jeantranscene@mastodon.social

                                      @androcat @rysiek But in that case the tool did exactly what was asked. Just because an application was produced with the help of an AI doesn't mean you can blindly trust it and release it without any sort of testing. You don't do that with human developer, why should it be any different with AI.

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                                      @androcat @rysiek Yes, but the point was that the software is a thing. It didn't try to be anything. Some human armed with an AI decided this was the way to go and didn’t bother with field testing.

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                                      • bontchev@infosec.exchangeB bontchev@infosec.exchange

                                        @rysiek The way this fuckup happened, reminds of a funny but true story.

                                        When I was student (half a century ago), I participated in a programming competition. (PCs didn't exist back then; we wrote programs in FORTRAN for a mainframe.) The task was to write an algorithm for a machine that returns change. The input data was how many coins and banknotes of each denomination the machine had, and a list of values it had to return. The algorithm had to be clever enough so that if it couldn't use the minimal amount of coins and banknotes, it had to switch to other amounts, using the available quantities. The condition said "process as many transactions as possible", obviously meaning the above level of cleverness.

                                        Well, one chap took the condition way too literally. His program buffered all the change requests until there were no more and *then* re-ordered them, in order to fulfill as many as possible with the available money/denominations.

                                        While it clearly "optimized" things, in real life it would have lead to idiotic delays, just like this case with drivers waiting for all the pizzas to be ready.

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                                        @bontchev@infosec.exchange

                                        PCs didn't exist back then? You might be forgetting how old we are. 😅 Half a century ago was 1976. The Altair 8800 already existed, and one year later in 1977, the Apple II, Commodore PET, and TRS-80 arrived.

                                        @rysiek

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                                        • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                                          @anyGould @nemobis yes, and all the power to them!

                                          But from the perspective of the company that's a problem, and that problem was caused by poorly integrating an AI boondoggle without assessing full extent of consequences.

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                                          @rysiek It's def. bad for the franchisee - but that may be them learning that a franchisee only makes as much money as the franchise permits.

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