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Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat.

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  • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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    Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

    ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

    ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

    suneauken@mastodon.worldS jfmezei@cosocial.caJ kcpoole@mastodon.auK S swoonie@mastodon.ieS 8 Replies Last reply
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    • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

      Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

      ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

      https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

      ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

      suneauken@mastodon.worldS This user is from outside of this forum
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      @StefanAlvemo Hard agree.

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      • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

        Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

        ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

        https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

        ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

        jfmezei@cosocial.caJ This user is from outside of this forum
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        @StefanAlvemo Hungary has an election this year. If they choose a normal leader, it could return Hungary to a normal EU state instead of a USSR admirer using its membership to sabotage EU.

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        • jfmezei@cosocial.caJ jfmezei@cosocial.ca

          @StefanAlvemo Hungary has an election this year. If they choose a normal leader, it could return Hungary to a normal EU state instead of a USSR admirer using its membership to sabotage EU.

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          @jfmezei To be clear: this isn't about punishing the Hungarian people, but forcing a choice. They need to understand that their upcoming election is effectively a referendum on the EU. You cannot reap the benefits of the union while sabotaging its security from within. Either you're in, or you're out.

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          • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

            Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

            ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

            https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

            ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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            @StefanAlvemo love to see the colours Ursula is wearing
            Total support

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            • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

              @jfmezei To be clear: this isn't about punishing the Hungarian people, but forcing a choice. They need to understand that their upcoming election is effectively a referendum on the EU. You cannot reap the benefits of the union while sabotaging its security from within. Either you're in, or you're out.

              jfmezei@cosocial.caJ This user is from outside of this forum
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              @StefanAlvemo I agree. This is similar to USA where people voted for a lying entertainer because he promised a good show while the other candidate was boring. Hopefully Hungarians not only realise their mistake, but more importantly have a palatable other candidate to vote for.

              We have seen UK voluntarily leave EU, but not sure there is a mechanism to expell a member. In the end, they need EU2 (coalition of the willing) that is without Hungary. Just as NATO2 without USA.

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              • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

                ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                @StefanAlvemo
                Just det!

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                • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                  Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                  ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                  https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

                  ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

                  swoonie@mastodon.ieS This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @StefanAlvemo
                  Look at a map of Europe. If you expel Hungary, and perhaps Slovakia too, then you have a wedge of Russia allies that goes from the EU's eastern border right to the gates of Central Europe. It would be extremely dangerous to ever let that happen. A major strategic win for Putin.

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                  • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                    Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                    ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                    https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

                    ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                    @StefanAlvemo Maybe it is time to get rid of the whole veto thing, both in the EU and in the UN.

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                    • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                      Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                      ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                      https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

                      ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                      @StefanAlvemo
                      Yup proves one thing: the EU is NOT a democratic institution. But then you support the Nazis in Ukraine and their dictator.

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                      • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                        Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                        ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                        https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

                        ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                        @StefanAlvemo

                        boot hungary

                        add Ukraine immediately

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                        • swoonie@mastodon.ieS swoonie@mastodon.ie

                          @StefanAlvemo
                          Look at a map of Europe. If you expel Hungary, and perhaps Slovakia too, then you have a wedge of Russia allies that goes from the EU's eastern border right to the gates of Central Europe. It would be extremely dangerous to ever let that happen. A major strategic win for Putin.

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                          @swoonie @StefanAlvemo Didn't we just finish financing a rail link to Ukraine via Hungary? Punching a hole in the EU map right on Ukraine's border seems a bit shortsighted given the timelines involved in even the most rushed EU Treaty change process. By the time we'd have a mechanism in place, Orbán's cholesterol will have long put him out of commission.

                          That said, I don't mind this being THE casus belli for treaty change, it just wouldn't even make it into my top 10 priorities for #EUreform

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                          • markdevries@mstdn.socialM markdevries@mstdn.social

                            @StefanAlvemo Maybe it is time to get rid of the whole veto thing, both in the EU and in the UN.

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                            @markdevries Completely agree... in favour of Qualified Majority.

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                            • jfmezei@cosocial.caJ jfmezei@cosocial.ca

                              @StefanAlvemo I agree. This is similar to USA where people voted for a lying entertainer because he promised a good show while the other candidate was boring. Hopefully Hungarians not only realise their mistake, but more importantly have a palatable other candidate to vote for.

                              We have seen UK voluntarily leave EU, but not sure there is a mechanism to expell a member. In the end, they need EU2 (coalition of the willing) that is without Hungary. Just as NATO2 without USA.

                              sobex@social.sciences.reS This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @jfmezei @StefanAlvemo There is a mechanism to suspend a member , the problem is that you need everyone else to agree, and there are currently two countries sabotaging.

                              (Used to be PL - HU, now it is Slovakia and HU iirc)

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