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Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat.

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  • jfmezei@cosocial.caJ jfmezei@cosocial.ca

    @StefanAlvemo Hungary has an election this year. If they choose a normal leader, it could return Hungary to a normal EU state instead of a USSR admirer using its membership to sabotage EU.

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    @jfmezei To be clear: this isn't about punishing the Hungarian people, but forcing a choice. They need to understand that their upcoming election is effectively a referendum on the EU. You cannot reap the benefits of the union while sabotaging its security from within. Either you're in, or you're out.

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    • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

      Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

      ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

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      We’ll find a way to get round Hungary and deliver Ukraine’s €90B loan, EU vows

      EU chiefs assure Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy they have the tools to unblock the funds.

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      ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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      @StefanAlvemo love to see the colours Ursula is wearing
      Total support

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      • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

        @jfmezei To be clear: this isn't about punishing the Hungarian people, but forcing a choice. They need to understand that their upcoming election is effectively a referendum on the EU. You cannot reap the benefits of the union while sabotaging its security from within. Either you're in, or you're out.

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        @StefanAlvemo I agree. This is similar to USA where people voted for a lying entertainer because he promised a good show while the other candidate was boring. Hopefully Hungarians not only realise their mistake, but more importantly have a palatable other candidate to vote for.

        We have seen UK voluntarily leave EU, but not sure there is a mechanism to expell a member. In the end, they need EU2 (coalition of the willing) that is without Hungary. Just as NATO2 without USA.

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        • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

          Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

          ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

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          We’ll find a way to get round Hungary and deliver Ukraine’s €90B loan, EU vows

          EU chiefs assure Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy they have the tools to unblock the funds.

          favicon

          POLITICO (www.politico.eu)

          ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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          @StefanAlvemo
          Just det!

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          • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

            Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

            ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

            Link Preview Image
            We’ll find a way to get round Hungary and deliver Ukraine’s €90B loan, EU vows

            EU chiefs assure Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy they have the tools to unblock the funds.

            favicon

            POLITICO (www.politico.eu)

            ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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            @StefanAlvemo
            Look at a map of Europe. If you expel Hungary, and perhaps Slovakia too, then you have a wedge of Russia allies that goes from the EU's eastern border right to the gates of Central Europe. It would be extremely dangerous to ever let that happen. A major strategic win for Putin.

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            • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

              Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

              ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

              Link Preview Image
              We’ll find a way to get round Hungary and deliver Ukraine’s €90B loan, EU vows

              EU chiefs assure Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy they have the tools to unblock the funds.

              favicon

              POLITICO (www.politico.eu)

              ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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              @StefanAlvemo Maybe it is time to get rid of the whole veto thing, both in the EU and in the UN.

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              • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

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                We’ll find a way to get round Hungary and deliver Ukraine’s €90B loan, EU vows

                EU chiefs assure Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy they have the tools to unblock the funds.

                favicon

                POLITICO (www.politico.eu)

                ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                @StefanAlvemo
                Yup proves one thing: the EU is NOT a democratic institution. But then you support the Nazis in Ukraine and their dictator.

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                • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                  Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                  ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                  Link Preview Image
                  We’ll find a way to get round Hungary and deliver Ukraine’s €90B loan, EU vows

                  EU chiefs assure Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy they have the tools to unblock the funds.

                  favicon

                  POLITICO (www.politico.eu)

                  ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                  @StefanAlvemo

                  boot hungary

                  add Ukraine immediately

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                  • swoonie@mastodon.ieS swoonie@mastodon.ie

                    @StefanAlvemo
                    Look at a map of Europe. If you expel Hungary, and perhaps Slovakia too, then you have a wedge of Russia allies that goes from the EU's eastern border right to the gates of Central Europe. It would be extremely dangerous to ever let that happen. A major strategic win for Putin.

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                    @swoonie @StefanAlvemo Didn't we just finish financing a rail link to Ukraine via Hungary? Punching a hole in the EU map right on Ukraine's border seems a bit shortsighted given the timelines involved in even the most rushed EU Treaty change process. By the time we'd have a mechanism in place, Orbán's cholesterol will have long put him out of commission.

                    That said, I don't mind this being THE casus belli for treaty change, it just wouldn't even make it into my top 10 priorities for #EUreform

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                    • markdevries@mstdn.socialM markdevries@mstdn.social

                      @StefanAlvemo Maybe it is time to get rid of the whole veto thing, both in the EU and in the UN.

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                      @markdevries Completely agree... in favour of Qualified Majority.

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                      • jfmezei@cosocial.caJ jfmezei@cosocial.ca

                        @StefanAlvemo I agree. This is similar to USA where people voted for a lying entertainer because he promised a good show while the other candidate was boring. Hopefully Hungarians not only realise their mistake, but more importantly have a palatable other candidate to vote for.

                        We have seen UK voluntarily leave EU, but not sure there is a mechanism to expell a member. In the end, they need EU2 (coalition of the willing) that is without Hungary. Just as NATO2 without USA.

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                        @jfmezei @StefanAlvemo There is a mechanism to suspend a member , the problem is that you need everyone else to agree, and there are currently two countries sabotaging.

                        (Used to be PL - HU, now it is Slovakia and HU iirc)

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