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I just saw the most amazingly corporate expression of "we did what the bosses wanted us to do, even though the research didn't support that."

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  • paco@infosec.exchangeP paco@infosec.exchange

    I just saw the most amazingly corporate expression of "we did what the bosses wanted us to do, even though the research didn't support that." The actual phrase was:

    The research employed a methodology that prioritized stakeholder voice over researcher interpretation.

    I wonder if a data scientist slipped that in to make it clear to other folks how this happened. You don't have to write stuff like this if the boss wants to do what the research says is a good idea. You only have to write this if the research says one thing and the boss says another.

    prism@infosec.exchangeP This user is from outside of this forum
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    @paco Reminds me of a line from a doc an engineering manager wrote, explaining why we needed to kill off a popular project that everyone liked because it wasn't making enough money:
    "Despite good year-over-year performance, the value proposition remains unclear, beyond topline contributions."

    Craziest thing I ever read.

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    • paco@infosec.exchangeP paco@infosec.exchange

      I just saw the most amazingly corporate expression of "we did what the bosses wanted us to do, even though the research didn't support that." The actual phrase was:

      The research employed a methodology that prioritized stakeholder voice over researcher interpretation.

      I wonder if a data scientist slipped that in to make it clear to other folks how this happened. You don't have to write stuff like this if the boss wants to do what the research says is a good idea. You only have to write this if the research says one thing and the boss says another.

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      agreeable_landfall@mastodon.social
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      @paco Well, that's much easier then. Back when I was a lad, companies had to hire researchers to do studies with very small sample sizes. Once they got a result they liked, they plastered it all over their advertising.

      Of course, back then lawyers and drug companies were forbidden to advertise. Congress felt that might tend to flood the courts with worthless lawsuits, or encourage people to take meds they didn't need. Silly Congress. 😉

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      • paco@infosec.exchangeP paco@infosec.exchange

        I just saw the most amazingly corporate expression of "we did what the bosses wanted us to do, even though the research didn't support that." The actual phrase was:

        The research employed a methodology that prioritized stakeholder voice over researcher interpretation.

        I wonder if a data scientist slipped that in to make it clear to other folks how this happened. You don't have to write stuff like this if the boss wants to do what the research says is a good idea. You only have to write this if the research says one thing and the boss says another.

        ayba@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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        @paco not surprising in the slightest.

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        • prism@infosec.exchangeP prism@infosec.exchange

          @paco Reminds me of a line from a doc an engineering manager wrote, explaining why we needed to kill off a popular project that everyone liked because it wasn't making enough money:
          "Despite good year-over-year performance, the value proposition remains unclear, beyond topline contributions."

          Craziest thing I ever read.

          paco@infosec.exchangeP This user is from outside of this forum
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          @prism Wow. “It’s not clear why we should keep this thing. All it does is make money for us.”

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          • paco@infosec.exchangeP paco@infosec.exchange

            @prism Wow. “It’s not clear why we should keep this thing. All it does is make money for us.”

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            @paco "You did the thing, and it was good, but it wasn't good enough. Next time, backstroke."

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            • atleagle@mastodon.onlineA atleagle@mastodon.online

              @JeffGrigg @paco @wordshaper the boss is probably happy and feeling powerful. Lol

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              @ATLeagle @JeffGrigg @paco @wordshaper Especially businessy businessman upon that day.

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              • paco@infosec.exchangeP paco@infosec.exchange

                I just saw the most amazingly corporate expression of "we did what the bosses wanted us to do, even though the research didn't support that." The actual phrase was:

                The research employed a methodology that prioritized stakeholder voice over researcher interpretation.

                I wonder if a data scientist slipped that in to make it clear to other folks how this happened. You don't have to write stuff like this if the boss wants to do what the research says is a good idea. You only have to write this if the research says one thing and the boss says another.

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                @paco The customer is always rAIght, huh

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                • paco@infosec.exchangeP paco@infosec.exchange

                  I just saw the most amazingly corporate expression of "we did what the bosses wanted us to do, even though the research didn't support that." The actual phrase was:

                  The research employed a methodology that prioritized stakeholder voice over researcher interpretation.

                  I wonder if a data scientist slipped that in to make it clear to other folks how this happened. You don't have to write stuff like this if the boss wants to do what the research says is a good idea. You only have to write this if the research says one thing and the boss says another.

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                  @paco i see way too many arXiv papers where there's a step they run the data through a chatbot, and quite often I suspect "stakeholder voice" is the reason

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                  • paco@infosec.exchangeP paco@infosec.exchange

                    I just saw the most amazingly corporate expression of "we did what the bosses wanted us to do, even though the research didn't support that." The actual phrase was:

                    The research employed a methodology that prioritized stakeholder voice over researcher interpretation.

                    I wonder if a data scientist slipped that in to make it clear to other folks how this happened. You don't have to write stuff like this if the boss wants to do what the research says is a good idea. You only have to write this if the research says one thing and the boss says another.

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                    @paco "all I got is a red guitar / 3 chords / and the truth" -- all along the watchtower

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                    • A agreeable_landfall@mastodon.social

                      @paco Well, that's much easier then. Back when I was a lad, companies had to hire researchers to do studies with very small sample sizes. Once they got a result they liked, they plastered it all over their advertising.

                      Of course, back then lawyers and drug companies were forbidden to advertise. Congress felt that might tend to flood the courts with worthless lawsuits, or encourage people to take meds they didn't need. Silly Congress. 😉

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                      @agreeable_landfall @paco I remember one former customer regularly published somewhat pompous “research has shown” type articles.

                      The research in question being a poll on the website that would get maybe 150 responses sometimes but usually fewer.

                      I knew this because I wrote that poll system.

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