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  3. The Dutch have been quietly getting on with normalising the four day working week, and it seems to not have had the negative impact many critics have claimed, with the Netherlands' economy still one of the most successful in the EU;

The Dutch have been quietly getting on with normalising the four day working week, and it seems to not have had the negative impact many critics have claimed, with the Netherlands' economy still one of the most successful in the EU;

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  • chrismayla6@zirk.usC chrismayla6@zirk.us

    The Dutch have been quietly getting on with normalising the four day working week, and it seems to not have had the negative impact many critics have claimed, with the Netherlands' economy still one of the most successful in the EU;

    as so often, real political economic change can be organic rather than forced, and in the UK while at an early stage of this process, the four day working week is slowly but surely e becoming more widely adopted. Good!

    #workers #FourDayWeek
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2y85xdyw3o

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    @ChrisMayLA6@zirk.us What a strange article. "Hey, loads of folk in the Netherlands work four days, they love it and companies are still doing really well....but some people at the OECD think it's a bad idea - let's write about that instead!"

    Curiously when looking for charts of GPD per capita over time I can't find the "lack of growth" that supposedly points to the Netherlands' potential downfall.

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    • chrismayla6@zirk.usC chrismayla6@zirk.us

      The Dutch have been quietly getting on with normalising the four day working week, and it seems to not have had the negative impact many critics have claimed, with the Netherlands' economy still one of the most successful in the EU;

      as so often, real political economic change can be organic rather than forced, and in the UK while at an early stage of this process, the four day working week is slowly but surely e becoming more widely adopted. Good!

      #workers #FourDayWeek
      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2y85xdyw3o

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      @ChrisMayLA6 one more time kudos for Netherlands. If we had a public central planning instead of this neoliberalism controlled by corporations we would be working less than 10 hours week on non voluntary jobs.

      Freedom was supposed to be important, right?

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      • wayne@social.musgrovegreen.co.ukW wayne@social.musgrovegreen.co.uk

        @ChrisMayLA6@zirk.us What a strange article. "Hey, loads of folk in the Netherlands work four days, they love it and companies are still doing really well....but some people at the OECD think it's a bad idea - let's write about that instead!"

        Curiously when looking for charts of GPD per capita over time I can't find the "lack of growth" that supposedly points to the Netherlands' potential downfall.

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        @wayne @ChrisMayLA6 the BBC has form on this - South Cambs DC has used a four-day week to solve a really bad recruitment and retention problem with positive results, but the article spends most of its time trying to find negative voxpops from people who don't know anything about it:
        BBC News - Can South Cambridgeshire council do five days' work in four? - BBC News
        https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0l97gnpyd5o?app-referrer=search

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        • flisty@mstdn.socialF flisty@mstdn.social

          @wayne @ChrisMayLA6 the BBC has form on this - South Cambs DC has used a four-day week to solve a really bad recruitment and retention problem with positive results, but the article spends most of its time trying to find negative voxpops from people who don't know anything about it:
          BBC News - Can South Cambridgeshire council do five days' work in four? - BBC News
          https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0l97gnpyd5o?app-referrer=search

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          @Flisty @wayne @ChrisMayLA6
          100% I'm really done with articles where they find a bunch of retired folk to moan about how workers aren't worked hard enough.

          If the BBC had been around in the 19th century, we'd have had articles going "This city outlawed child labour, but how will it clean its cotton mills?".

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          • thecasualcritic@writing.exchangeT thecasualcritic@writing.exchange

            @Flisty @wayne @ChrisMayLA6
            100% I'm really done with articles where they find a bunch of retired folk to moan about how workers aren't worked hard enough.

            If the BBC had been around in the 19th century, we'd have had articles going "This city outlawed child labour, but how will it clean its cotton mills?".

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            @thecasualcritic @Flisty @wayne @ChrisMayLA6
            The sad thing is that every time the BBC publishes an article like this it loses just a little more of the trust and respect it once had, and the UK’s soft power is yet further eroded, too.
            #BBC #UKPolitics #SoftPower

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            • kimsj@mastodon.socialK kimsj@mastodon.social

              @thecasualcritic @Flisty @wayne @ChrisMayLA6
              The sad thing is that every time the BBC publishes an article like this it loses just a little more of the trust and respect it once had, and the UK’s soft power is yet further eroded, too.
              #BBC #UKPolitics #SoftPower

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              @KimSJ @thecasualcritic @wayne @ChrisMayLA6 but the entirely politically neutral board requires 100% balanced reporting - surely that's reasonable

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              • flisty@mstdn.socialF flisty@mstdn.social

                @KimSJ @thecasualcritic @wayne @ChrisMayLA6 but the entirely politically neutral board requires 100% balanced reporting - surely that's reasonable

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                @Flisty πŸ‘πŸ˜

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                • flisty@mstdn.socialF flisty@mstdn.social

                  @KimSJ @thecasualcritic @wayne @ChrisMayLA6 but the entirely politically neutral board requires 100% balanced reporting - surely that's reasonable

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                  @Flisty @KimSJ @wayne @ChrisMayLA6
                  I will concede the point once they find someone to argue in favour of fully automated luxury communism in every article in the business section πŸ˜†

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                  • chrismayla6@zirk.usC chrismayla6@zirk.us

                    The Dutch have been quietly getting on with normalising the four day working week, and it seems to not have had the negative impact many critics have claimed, with the Netherlands' economy still one of the most successful in the EU;

                    as so often, real political economic change can be organic rather than forced, and in the UK while at an early stage of this process, the four day working week is slowly but surely e becoming more widely adopted. Good!

                    #workers #FourDayWeek
                    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2y85xdyw3o

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                    @ChrisMayLA6
                    I absolutely must know who is having a 4 day work week "forced" on them.

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                    • thecasualcritic@writing.exchangeT thecasualcritic@writing.exchange

                      @Flisty @KimSJ @wayne @ChrisMayLA6
                      I will concede the point once they find someone to argue in favour of fully automated luxury communism in every article in the business section πŸ˜†

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                      #27

                      @thecasualcritic @KimSJ @wayne @ChrisMayLA6 or indeed just anyone mentioning Brexit as a *factor*, let alone a cause, when sluggish growth/productivity/trade/anything else is covered...

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                      • chrismayla6@zirk.usC chrismayla6@zirk.us

                        The Dutch have been quietly getting on with normalising the four day working week, and it seems to not have had the negative impact many critics have claimed, with the Netherlands' economy still one of the most successful in the EU;

                        as so often, real political economic change can be organic rather than forced, and in the UK while at an early stage of this process, the four day working week is slowly but surely e becoming more widely adopted. Good!

                        #workers #FourDayWeek
                        https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2y85xdyw3o

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                        @ChrisMayLA6 I was reminded recently about one of my primary school teachers and her love of "art and clart Wednesday."

                        Every Wednesday we'd spend the day painting, making, drawing, baking, sewing and so on. To us, it was just a fun day. While learning all sorts of life skills, we also relaxed. Come Thursday, we were fresh and ready to knuckle down to our sums and writing. According to Mum, the teacher described it as like getting two Mondays a week from us.

                        I hadn't quite seen it before, but looking back it was another form of four-day week. Obviously we were present for five days, but Wednesdays never felt like working.

                        There must be many ways to structure it for different situations.

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                        • flisty@mstdn.socialF flisty@mstdn.social

                          @thecasualcritic @KimSJ @wayne @ChrisMayLA6 or indeed just anyone mentioning Brexit as a *factor*, let alone a cause, when sluggish growth/productivity/trade/anything else is covered...

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                          @thecasualcritic @KimSJ @wayne @ChrisMayLA6 actually more than Brexit I get annoyed about the wall-to-wall "immigrants are bad/immigration is high/small boats are illegal" and "taxes are too high/increasing taxes is bad". Neither of these hegemonies are ever ever questioned.
                          Also I am increasingly entertained by how much time Chris Mason dedicates to how bad Starmer/Reeves are. The "Reeves lied!" thing went on for about two weeks

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                          • chrismayla6@zirk.usC chrismayla6@zirk.us

                            The Dutch have been quietly getting on with normalising the four day working week, and it seems to not have had the negative impact many critics have claimed, with the Netherlands' economy still one of the most successful in the EU;

                            as so often, real political economic change can be organic rather than forced, and in the UK while at an early stage of this process, the four day working week is slowly but surely e becoming more widely adopted. Good!

                            #workers #FourDayWeek
                            https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2y85xdyw3o

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                            @ChrisMayLA6 They've had this for a long time. When I lived in πŸ‡³πŸ‡± in the late 80's, it seemed nobody came back from lunch on Friday and weren't at work until after lunch on Monday. πŸ™‚ πŸ€”

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                            • flisty@mstdn.socialF flisty@mstdn.social

                              @wayne @ChrisMayLA6 the BBC has form on this - South Cambs DC has used a four-day week to solve a really bad recruitment and retention problem with positive results, but the article spends most of its time trying to find negative voxpops from people who don't know anything about it:
                              BBC News - Can South Cambridgeshire council do five days' work in four? - BBC News
                              https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0l97gnpyd5o?app-referrer=search

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                              @ChrisMayLA6 @Flisty @wayne

                              And of course, rather than engage with the evidence, central government has simply decided to abolish South Cambs DC as part of its unitarization programme. Sigh.

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                              • only_ohm@mas.toO only_ohm@mas.to

                                @ChrisMayLA6 @Flisty @wayne

                                And of course, rather than engage with the evidence, central government has simply decided to abolish South Cambs DC as part of its unitarization programme. Sigh.

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                                @only_ohm @ChrisMayLA6 @wayne I mean the Cambs councils do need making sense of, but the "stop talking about 4 day weeks!" message coming from central doesn't look good for the policy, certainly...

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                                • flisty@mstdn.socialF flisty@mstdn.social

                                  @only_ohm @ChrisMayLA6 @wayne I mean the Cambs councils do need making sense of, but the "stop talking about 4 day weeks!" message coming from central doesn't look good for the policy, certainly...

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                                  @only_ohm @ChrisMayLA6 @wayne also I suspect the new reorg is going to royally screw over East Cambs

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                                  • flisty@mstdn.socialF flisty@mstdn.social

                                    @only_ohm @ChrisMayLA6 @wayne I mean the Cambs councils do need making sense of, but the "stop talking about 4 day weeks!" message coming from central doesn't look good for the policy, certainly...

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                                    @ChrisMayLA6 @Flisty @wayne

                                    My view on unitarization is a straightforward, but surprisingly rarely-encountered one: being a district councillor, if you do it properly, is more than a 50% full-time equivalent job; and being a county councillor, if you do it properly, is more than a 50% full-time equivalent job: hence, bundling both roles together in a unitary council guarantees that the job won't be done properly.

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                                      @ChrisMayLA6 @Flisty @wayne

                                      My view on unitarization is a straightforward, but surprisingly rarely-encountered one: being a district councillor, if you do it properly, is more than a 50% full-time equivalent job; and being a county councillor, if you do it properly, is more than a 50% full-time equivalent job: hence, bundling both roles together in a unitary council guarantees that the job won't be done properly.

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                                      @only_ohm @ChrisMayLA6 @wayne in Cambs it's more complicated because of various other orgs being involved. This was drawn up many years ago and is now out of date as they're now talking about yet another growth corp and whatever it was Gove invented.

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                                        @only_ohm @ChrisMayLA6 @wayne in Cambs it's more complicated because of various other orgs being involved. This was drawn up many years ago and is now out of date as they're now talking about yet another growth corp and whatever it was Gove invented.

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                                        @only_ohm @ChrisMayLA6 @wayne however I do agree that there is way too much work for single councillors. But the current stakeholder situation is an absolute dogs dinner. I'm also pretty sure reorganising it along existing boundaries and current leaders' preferences will help barely a jot.

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                                        • flisty@mstdn.socialF flisty@mstdn.social

                                          @only_ohm @ChrisMayLA6 @wayne in Cambs it's more complicated because of various other orgs being involved. This was drawn up many years ago and is now out of date as they're now talking about yet another growth corp and whatever it was Gove invented.

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                                          @only_ohm @ChrisMayLA6 @wayne oh hang on, looks like @AntonyCarpen updated it here https://cambridgetownowl.com/

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