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  • lane@dice.campL lane@dice.camp

    @Willow

    I will throw sand in the gears of marginalization, by feigning ignorance and incompetence, and eventually I will be indignant that they feel the need to check what's in my pants. As a straight white Christian with English as his first language, I am entitled to the Right of Karen: "Who is your supervisor?"

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    @Lane @Willow Exactly! I am given a tremendous amount of social privilege, despite the fact that I've not earned it, simply based on how I look. I will happily spend this accrued capital to confront those who want to marginalize others. I have basically run out of patience with this nonsense and I simply will not tolerate it any longer.

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    • raphaelmorgan@disabled.socialR raphaelmorgan@disabled.social

      @dalias @x0 @Zumbador @Willow I think it's both. I've had at least one experience where the doctor saw the M on my chart, took me seriously, learned I have a uterus, and immediately ceased to take me seriously. It was night and day, and it was astonishing being able to view his behavior from both a male and a female perspective. Any cis men reading along, if you think a (male and assumed cis) doctor is great and really listens, ask a woman how he acts without you in the room!

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      #42

      @raphaelmorgan @dalias @x0 @Zumbador @Willow i have had so many negative experiences with male doctors that i absolutely refuse to use them now

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      • willow@chaosfem.twW willow@chaosfem.tw

        Call to action to cis people: be assholes anytime you get asked for your sex assigned at birth. Write letters, complain to staff, refuse to answer. Make it impossible to collect sex assigned at birth. Be really offended that anyone would ask you. Make enough noise that if trans people want to quietly not answer or give whatever answer feels correct to them, no one will notice.

        #Boost #CallToAction

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        #43

        @Willow Thank you for this! I have never seen such a question, actually, but I will be more cautious about that now. I've been asked to give gender, but never "assigned at birth" - this seems very rude.

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        • iju@mastodon.socialI iju@mastodon.social

          @x0 @Zumbador @Willow

          In some social contextes it may be asked for statistical causes. It is, for example, quite important to find out if some service is largely used by one sex/gender when in theory the usage should be equal for the whole population.

          Tbs, many forms ask data just for funsies and/or for the newsletter-greeting (and ofc you HAVE to subscribe to it).

          Can't understand if they want to start the newsletter with preferred name, they won't also ask preferred title?

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          #44

          @iju @x0 @Zumbador @Willow

          It seems to me that product and service usage that is gender specific would be much better correlated to the gender one is presenting as than some assigned birth gender.

          Like clothing, makeup, hair care, etc.

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          • x0@dragonscave.spaceX x0@dragonscave.space

            @Zumbador @Willow It's only relevant in certain medical contexts where the anatomy and hormone balance involved is actually necessary data, yes? Surgeries, medications that might interact with those systems, etc?

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            #45

            @x0 @Zumbador @Willow

            No, it's not actually *ever* medically relevant what you were assigned at birth. This information is used for shorthand in order for practitioners to make assumptions about your body, but those assumptions are regularly incorrect even when only dealing with cis people, let alone when you add in trans, intersex, chimerism, or other conditions.

            Relying on sex as a significant piece of data is lazy medicine and any practitioner that clutches to it for literally anything is suspect.

            Anatomy and hormones are regularly affected by so many factors from diet, hysterectomy, oophorectomy, cancer, environmental factors and exposures, injury, etc.

            A medical practitioner who is doing a proper job is not going to treat you like a group, but as an individual with individual conditions, factors, and needs.

            Lots of providers are increasingly choosing to do an organ index instead, at least when they realize that's even an option. My spouse and I have successfully urged providers in multiple departments/clinics to stop worrying about assigned sex and instead to introduce a (voluntary) organ selection sheet that lets the provider know what you do or don't have when it's relevant.

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            • revoluciana@chaosfem.twR revoluciana@chaosfem.tw

              @x0 @Zumbador @Willow

              No, it's not actually *ever* medically relevant what you were assigned at birth. This information is used for shorthand in order for practitioners to make assumptions about your body, but those assumptions are regularly incorrect even when only dealing with cis people, let alone when you add in trans, intersex, chimerism, or other conditions.

              Relying on sex as a significant piece of data is lazy medicine and any practitioner that clutches to it for literally anything is suspect.

              Anatomy and hormones are regularly affected by so many factors from diet, hysterectomy, oophorectomy, cancer, environmental factors and exposures, injury, etc.

              A medical practitioner who is doing a proper job is not going to treat you like a group, but as an individual with individual conditions, factors, and needs.

              Lots of providers are increasingly choosing to do an organ index instead, at least when they realize that's even an option. My spouse and I have successfully urged providers in multiple departments/clinics to stop worrying about assigned sex and instead to introduce a (voluntary) organ selection sheet that lets the provider know what you do or don't have when it's relevant.

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              #46

              @revoluciana @x0 @Zumbador @Willow

              It's always been kinda a crazy concept to me. Like "oh what'd your body look like at birth?" And the answer is always "nothing like it does today."

              We don't do karyotyping at birth, so I couldn't tell you what my chromosomes looked like, and I don't even for sure know what they are now.

              People have surgeries, have accidents, exposure to chemicals...life happens. Our bodies change.

              Ask me about what my body looks like *now.* Not how it was at birth.

              I'm a trans woman, but I take E AND T, each for different purposes. And yet people wanna claim my AGAB matters bc my body might have produced a certain amount of T back then? Idk what my levels were before transition!

              I want a doctor who treats me as an individual. Not as an average approximate of a human.

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              • willow@chaosfem.twW willow@chaosfem.tw

                Call to action to cis people: be assholes anytime you get asked for your sex assigned at birth. Write letters, complain to staff, refuse to answer. Make it impossible to collect sex assigned at birth. Be really offended that anyone would ask you. Make enough noise that if trans people want to quietly not answer or give whatever answer feels correct to them, no one will notice.

                #Boost #CallToAction

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                #47

                @Willow@chaosfem.tw my sex assigned at birth? Oh, that's '); DROP TABLE Users;--

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                • willow@chaosfem.twW willow@chaosfem.tw

                  Call to action to cis people: be assholes anytime you get asked for your sex assigned at birth. Write letters, complain to staff, refuse to answer. Make it impossible to collect sex assigned at birth. Be really offended that anyone would ask you. Make enough noise that if trans people want to quietly not answer or give whatever answer feels correct to them, no one will notice.

                  #Boost #CallToAction

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                  #48

                  @Willow@chaosfem.tw

                  ​​ MALE
                  ​​ FEMALE
                  ​​ WHAT ARE YOU, AN COP?
                  ​​ FUCK YOU, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE A COP ACTUALLY

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                  • willow@chaosfem.twW willow@chaosfem.tw

                    Call to action to cis people: be assholes anytime you get asked for your sex assigned at birth. Write letters, complain to staff, refuse to answer. Make it impossible to collect sex assigned at birth. Be really offended that anyone would ask you. Make enough noise that if trans people want to quietly not answer or give whatever answer feels correct to them, no one will notice.

                    #Boost #CallToAction

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                    #49

                    @Willow @HollyGoDarkly
                    Consider writing in ‘woke’ or just ignore it, as apparently the system allows that and it doesn’t even have to have any basis in reality.

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                    • willow@chaosfem.twW willow@chaosfem.tw

                      Call to action to cis people: be assholes anytime you get asked for your sex assigned at birth. Write letters, complain to staff, refuse to answer. Make it impossible to collect sex assigned at birth. Be really offended that anyone would ask you. Make enough noise that if trans people want to quietly not answer or give whatever answer feels correct to them, no one will notice.

                      #Boost #CallToAction

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                      #50

                      @Willow also, to all of my fellow cis folks, put your prefered pronouns in every work app (outlook, zoom, teams, etc.) you use. Be the person who normalizes being able to declare pronouns.

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                      • willow@chaosfem.twW willow@chaosfem.tw

                        Call to action to cis people: be assholes anytime you get asked for your sex assigned at birth. Write letters, complain to staff, refuse to answer. Make it impossible to collect sex assigned at birth. Be really offended that anyone would ask you. Make enough noise that if trans people want to quietly not answer or give whatever answer feels correct to them, no one will notice.

                        #Boost #CallToAction

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                        #51

                        @Willow I've been doing this for years. None of their damn bidness.

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                        • willow@chaosfem.twW willow@chaosfem.tw

                          Call to action to cis people: be assholes anytime you get asked for your sex assigned at birth. Write letters, complain to staff, refuse to answer. Make it impossible to collect sex assigned at birth. Be really offended that anyone would ask you. Make enough noise that if trans people want to quietly not answer or give whatever answer feels correct to them, no one will notice.

                          #Boost #CallToAction

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                          @Willow
                          If it says 'Sex at birth,' I usually respond with a note," Gross, I waited until I was a teenager."

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                          • willow@chaosfem.twW willow@chaosfem.tw

                            Call to action to cis people: be assholes anytime you get asked for your sex assigned at birth. Write letters, complain to staff, refuse to answer. Make it impossible to collect sex assigned at birth. Be really offended that anyone would ask you. Make enough noise that if trans people want to quietly not answer or give whatever answer feels correct to them, no one will notice.

                            #Boost #CallToAction

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                            @Willow

                            What are people doing for online forms, where the form is incomplete until you pick a gender from the dropdown menu, and you can't get into the telemed appointment until the form is complete?

                            I feel boxed in

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                            • willow@chaosfem.twW willow@chaosfem.tw

                              Call to action to cis people: be assholes anytime you get asked for your sex assigned at birth. Write letters, complain to staff, refuse to answer. Make it impossible to collect sex assigned at birth. Be really offended that anyone would ask you. Make enough noise that if trans people want to quietly not answer or give whatever answer feels correct to them, no one will notice.

                              #Boost #CallToAction

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                              #54

                              @Willow I always answer «not of your busniess» when possible but I certanly answer more anoyed and offended.

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                              • jeffgrigg@mastodon.socialJ jeffgrigg@mastodon.social

                                @iju @x0 @Zumbador @Willow

                                It seems to me that product and service usage that is gender specific would be much better correlated to the gender one is presenting as than some assigned birth gender.

                                Like clothing, makeup, hair care, etc.

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                                @JeffGrigg @x0 @Zumbador @Willow

                                Some considerations:

                                - Product usage might reflect patterns unknown to the makers/users. For example: how we found out that many medicines didn't actually work on women (the testing had only used biological men, and the results were applied to women).

                                - That someone is presenting one gender doesn't mean they don't have needs of their biological one. (Medicine, but also pads, condoms, etc.)

                                - [cont]

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                                • iju@mastodon.socialI iju@mastodon.social

                                  @JeffGrigg @x0 @Zumbador @Willow

                                  Some considerations:

                                  - Product usage might reflect patterns unknown to the makers/users. For example: how we found out that many medicines didn't actually work on women (the testing had only used biological men, and the results were applied to women).

                                  - That someone is presenting one gender doesn't mean they don't have needs of their biological one. (Medicine, but also pads, condoms, etc.)

                                  - [cont]

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                                  @JeffGrigg @x0 @Zumbador @Willow

                                  Every time data is asked, the case for which the data is to be used should explained. No "it might come handy" -questions. So if you ask for sex, you must declare why: to find out how the medicine works in a body, or what applications in addition to the obvious you have for condoms.

                                  Second, and this is cultural (please don't shoot): binaric gender is a poor way in almost any situation to correlate how a person wants to be treated, and thus not worth asking.

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                                  • willow@chaosfem.twW willow@chaosfem.tw

                                    Call to action to cis people: be assholes anytime you get asked for your sex assigned at birth. Write letters, complain to staff, refuse to answer. Make it impossible to collect sex assigned at birth. Be really offended that anyone would ask you. Make enough noise that if trans people want to quietly not answer or give whatever answer feels correct to them, no one will notice.

                                    #Boost #CallToAction

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                                    @Willow I am cis but have been increasingly losing patience for online forms that require a gendered salutation (Mr or Ms). If they don't have Mx. or 'no response ' as an option I will just say I am a Dr.

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                                    • willow@chaosfem.twW willow@chaosfem.tw

                                      Call to action to cis people: be assholes anytime you get asked for your sex assigned at birth. Write letters, complain to staff, refuse to answer. Make it impossible to collect sex assigned at birth. Be really offended that anyone would ask you. Make enough noise that if trans people want to quietly not answer or give whatever answer feels correct to them, no one will notice.

                                      #Boost #CallToAction

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                                      #58

                                      @Willow this is a GREAT IDEA! I think I will start to do with surveys I complete.
                                      I have a female avatar & a male cover image. I could put in my pronouns but now that you have given me the idea I'll stay open.

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                                      • processparsnip@mastodon.ieP processparsnip@mastodon.ie

                                        @Voline I have some good news, there are a ton of ICE agents and people who do contract work for ICE, just waiting for you to obstruct the fuck out of them

                                        DHS Contracts - Distributed Denial of Secrets

                                        Details on ICE and DHS contracts with over 6,000 different entities ranging from private businesses to government agencies and even dozens of universities. Some of the notable firms include Anduril, H…

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                                        (ddosecrets.org)

                                        @Willow

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                                        @ProcessParsnip Just noting, this is a list of contracts with DHS. Not all of the companies listed in the leak are complicit with ICE's actions; many of these contracts are uncontroversial and relate to DHS' other functions, such as disaster response and cybersecurity.
                                        For example, University of California, San Diego got two grants for threat intelligence which expired during the first Trump administration

                                        Furthermore, this leak spans decades, and many of the contracts in it expired before the current administration.
                                        ICE contractors might have been complicit in human rights violations then, but have nothing to do with current events, or have even broken off ties with the agency.

                                        Finally, I don't know if anyone has verified the data is authentic, and hasn't been tampered with by the source.

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                                        • geos@toot.communityG geos@toot.community

                                          @Willow
                                          If it says 'Sex at birth,' I usually respond with a note," Gross, I waited until I was a teenager."

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                                          @geos @Willow that's a good one but I'd probably get thrown out of my doctors' if I tried it 😅

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