Seeing reports Alberta is going to switch to permanent DST.
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Seeing reports Alberta is going to switch to permanent DST.
Better than switching but worse than MST. <sigh>
As an example: Marmot Basin (ski area in Jasper) won't be able to open until 10am in midwinter.
On the other hand it will sync the clocks in Alberta and Saskatchewan all year round.
@Chigaze ah yes...but you can ski until 2300h!!
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@AmeliasBrain @Chigaze
Exactly!! DST serves a purpose in our northern environment.@EllenInEdmonton Well, my preference would be to give away the extra hour of late-evening sun in summer in order to standardize without switching twice a year.
More generally, I think all of temperate North America would probably be happier sticking with a time zone such that "solar noon" is between 12:00 and 13:00, regardless of whether that is standard time or daylight time based on current time zones. But people seem so stuck on whether daylight or standard is better that they don't consider that the actual sunrise & sunset times depend on where you live!
But I care less about the time on the clocks than about actual schedules that people are forced to follow.
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@EllenInEdmonton Well, my preference would be to give away the extra hour of late-evening sun in summer in order to standardize without switching twice a year.
More generally, I think all of temperate North America would probably be happier sticking with a time zone such that "solar noon" is between 12:00 and 13:00, regardless of whether that is standard time or daylight time based on current time zones. But people seem so stuck on whether daylight or standard is better that they don't consider that the actual sunrise & sunset times depend on where you live!
But I care less about the time on the clocks than about actual schedules that people are forced to follow.
@AmeliasBrain @EllenInEdmonton For late evening sun DST makes little sense at our latitude. We already have late evening sun for the summer months.
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@AmeliasBrain @EllenInEdmonton For late evening sun DST makes little sense at our latitude. We already have late evening sun for the summer months.
@Chigaze @AmeliasBrain @EllenInEdmonton this goes both ways though. We'd have to be in like alaska time to *actually* never have dark mornings at standard school start times in the winter.
This is why my position is that there is no timezone that can make everyone happy here. Just have to pick one, it will never be perfect.
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@Chigaze @AmeliasBrain @EllenInEdmonton this goes both ways though. We'd have to be in like alaska time to *actually* never have dark mornings at standard school start times in the winter.
This is why my position is that there is no timezone that can make everyone happy here. Just have to pick one, it will never be perfect.
@megmac @AmeliasBrain @EllenInEdmonton But I figure 10AM sunrise in December is not going to make people happy.
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Seeing reports Alberta is going to switch to permanent DST.
Better than switching but worse than MST. <sigh>
As an example: Marmot Basin (ski area in Jasper) won't be able to open until 10am in midwinter.
On the other hand it will sync the clocks in Alberta and Saskatchewan all year round.
@Chigaze Agree don’t care which just get rid of the switching. Signed by me, our cat and all the livestock
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@Chigaze Ah, man. I was really hoping, after the BC announcement last month, that Alberta would end up on permanent mountain standard time, synced with BC's permanent Pacific daylight time. But somehow it seems right (ahem) that this government would rather harmonize with Saskatchewan.
On another note: This really makes a mockery of all the referendum proposals, if the Alberta government is going to adopt a policy that was voted down in a province-wide referendum a few years ago.
But regardless: now is the time to start talking to school boards & other institutions about planning to change their hours so that school & work days don't start way before sunrise. Time switches may cause a week of elevated traffic collisions, but having the majority of the population commuting in full dark mornings increases risk all winter.
@AmeliasBrain @Chigaze Re referendum. It’s was a bullshit question that confused a ton of people. I have never met anybody who wants the switching back and forth.
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@megmac @AmeliasBrain @EllenInEdmonton But I figure 10AM sunrise in December is not going to make people happy.
@Chigaze @AmeliasBrain @EllenInEdmonton and 3pm sunsets depress the hell out of me and many others. The only winning move is not to play.
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@Chigaze @AmeliasBrain @EllenInEdmonton and 3pm sunsets depress the hell out of me and many others. The only winning move is not to play.
@megmac @AmeliasBrain @EllenInEdmonton Nitpick. Under Standard Time our earliest sunset is 4:13pm. Latest sunrise is 8:50. I figure that's a reasonable split. The only way to avoid it is to move south.
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@AmeliasBrain @Chigaze Re referendum. It’s was a bullshit question that confused a ton of people. I have never met anybody who wants the switching back and forth.
@Bowreality That's true. But they've got a whole lot of other bullshit referendum questions lined up... I'm saying it's a visible hypocrisy when they're so pro-referendum but don't actually respect the results. (Any more than they respect the results of any other citizen feedback method they've initiated then discarded when it didn't go their way.)
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@Bowreality That's true. But they've got a whole lot of other bullshit referendum questions lined up... I'm saying it's a visible hypocrisy when they're so pro-referendum but don't actually respect the results. (Any more than they respect the results of any other citizen feedback method they've initiated then discarded when it didn't go their way.)
@AmeliasBrain Oh totally. Can’t wait for that one
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@megmac @AmeliasBrain @EllenInEdmonton Nitpick. Under Standard Time our earliest sunset is 4:13pm. Latest sunrise is 8:50. I figure that's a reasonable split. The only way to avoid it is to move south.
️@Chigaze @AmeliasBrain @EllenInEdmonton I mean the hour after sunrise and the hour before sunset at that time of year can only really be called "day" under extremely charitable definitions.
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@Chigaze ah yes...but you can ski until 2300h!!
@satchmo35 Only on my rock skis.
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@satchmo35 Only on my rock skis.
@Chigaze heavy on the wax.
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Seeing reports Alberta is going to switch to permanent DST.
Better than switching but worse than MST. <sigh>
As an example: Marmot Basin (ski area in Jasper) won't be able to open until 10am in midwinter.
On the other hand it will sync the clocks in Alberta and Saskatchewan all year round.
@Chigaze I prefer having more light after work. And this is easier then getting everyone to start an hour earlier.
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@Chigaze Ah, man. I was really hoping, after the BC announcement last month, that Alberta would end up on permanent mountain standard time, synced with BC's permanent Pacific daylight time. But somehow it seems right (ahem) that this government would rather harmonize with Saskatchewan.
On another note: This really makes a mockery of all the referendum proposals, if the Alberta government is going to adopt a policy that was voted down in a province-wide referendum a few years ago.
But regardless: now is the time to start talking to school boards & other institutions about planning to change their hours so that school & work days don't start way before sunrise. Time switches may cause a week of elevated traffic collisions, but having the majority of the population commuting in full dark mornings increases risk all winter.
@AmeliasBrain @Chigaze I'm glad they went this way. Standard time sucks and we only have it for what 4 months.
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@EllenInEdmonton Well, my preference would be to give away the extra hour of late-evening sun in summer in order to standardize without switching twice a year.
More generally, I think all of temperate North America would probably be happier sticking with a time zone such that "solar noon" is between 12:00 and 13:00, regardless of whether that is standard time or daylight time based on current time zones. But people seem so stuck on whether daylight or standard is better that they don't consider that the actual sunrise & sunset times depend on where you live!
But I care less about the time on the clocks than about actual schedules that people are forced to follow.
@AmeliasBrain @EllenInEdmonton @Chigaze I'd rather have more sun after work. Don't care where the sin is at noon as most of the time I'm inside. And the cycadia rhythm bs is just that electric lights have done more to screw that up then any time zone.
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Seeing reports Alberta is going to switch to permanent DST.
Better than switching but worse than MST. <sigh>
As an example: Marmot Basin (ski area in Jasper) won't be able to open until 10am in midwinter.
On the other hand it will sync the clocks in Alberta and Saskatchewan all year round.
@Chigaze
Those of us who suffer from seasonal affective disorder (winter blues) are going to have a hard go of winter when morning sunlight comes so late in the day.I'm going to make noise. Make noise with me and tell your MLA why this sucks (decreased safety for kids going to school in dark mornings is a real measurable reality for example).
