You know what WON’T get stuck in the Strait of Hormuz?
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You know what WON’T get stuck in the Strait of Hormuz?
Solar and wind energy
@greenpeace@mastodon.social
Pretty sure the blades for those wind turbines and the large solar arrays are travelling through the Strait of Hormuz on cargo ships that are no different then oil tankers. 99% of all solar panels come from China, and those blades can be hundreds of feet long. -
@greenpeace Pity the sun doesn’t shine at night and battery complexes aren’t yet build over there. We’re not yet at the right stage for this comment.
@TomDB @greenpeace It would still be more environmentally (and cost) effective if we relied on solar during the day and just switched to gas during the night
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You know what WON’T get stuck in the Strait of Hormuz?
Solar and wind energy
@greenpeace Coal doesn't' get caught there either. I 'm surprised the coal people are not funding adverts about that.
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You know what WON’T get stuck in the Strait of Hormuz?
Solar and wind energy
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You know what WON’T get stuck in the Strait of Hormuz?
Solar and wind energy
@greenpeace
Nor geothermal or hydroelectric -
You know what WON’T get stuck in the Strait of Hormuz?
Solar and wind energy
@greenpeace And Nuclear
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You know what WON’T get stuck in the Strait of Hormuz?
Solar and wind energy
@greenpeace that one got stuck in Suez, have you forgotten? also it can get stuck in Malacca.
just in case you missed what happens around Taiwanso naive
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@TomDB @greenpeace and who's fault it is the battery storage systems are not more widely used?
This is exactly the time for this comment. We need to stop burning fossil fuels as a society.
@vnkr @TomDB @greenpeace
Batteries supplying up to 9% of demand at night.We have seen batteries charge with cheap solar, discharge all night, dump remaining energy before 6am and start the solar charging cycle again.
We have had 252,000 household battery systems have been installed with a total storage capacity of 6,280 megawatt-hours, in just 6 months.
Meanwhile there is a ever expanding amount of grid batteries being built or in development. Getting bigger and longer duration.
There is also pumped hydro storage, hydro. Wind etc.
Maybe your government just isn't trying.
Wind and solar have eaten most of the coal industry's lunch, and batteries are hoeing into its dinner
The latest power quarterly survey from BloombergNEF highlights the rapidly changing shape and nature of Australia's main grid – and the new normal for coal and gas.
Renew Economy (reneweconomy.com.au)
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@greenpeace Pity the sun doesn’t shine at night and battery complexes aren’t yet build over there. We’re not yet at the right stage for this comment.
@TomDB @greenpeace Actually we are, and if you did basic research you'll see China have been surpassing all other countries in this regard.
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@vnkr @TomDB @greenpeace
Batteries supplying up to 9% of demand at night.We have seen batteries charge with cheap solar, discharge all night, dump remaining energy before 6am and start the solar charging cycle again.
We have had 252,000 household battery systems have been installed with a total storage capacity of 6,280 megawatt-hours, in just 6 months.
Meanwhile there is a ever expanding amount of grid batteries being built or in development. Getting bigger and longer duration.
There is also pumped hydro storage, hydro. Wind etc.
Maybe your government just isn't trying.
Wind and solar have eaten most of the coal industry's lunch, and batteries are hoeing into its dinner
The latest power quarterly survey from BloombergNEF highlights the rapidly changing shape and nature of Australia's main grid – and the new normal for coal and gas.
Renew Economy (reneweconomy.com.au)
@SuperMoosie @vnkr @greenpeace Tom is just another troll, it's obvious, best to just block and not even bother.
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@greenpeace Pity the sun doesn’t shine at night and battery complexes aren’t yet build over there. We’re not yet at the right stage for this comment.
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@greenpeace You still have no solution for when it's dark. The time when we all are using (hopefully) electricity to heat our houses. They won't work then. I hope we all already know that not using fossil fuels is an ecological advantage but that was never my point. My point was about the practicality of providing the global population with the necessary energy. Ecological advantage has no meaning when you can't produce electricity when it's dark.
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@vnkr @greenpeace And so the common people can really sway the regulatory side, yeah, totally true. so yeah, this comment is very useful in this platform.
I’d rather see them pressuring governments. I’m all for that.
@TomDB @vnkr @greenpeace You know I haven’t used petrol since 2019 and since last November my gas was disconnected because I don’t use it anymore. Now profiting nicely.
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@greenpeace You still have no solution for when it's dark. The time when we all are using (hopefully) electricity to heat our houses. They won't work then. I hope we all already know that not using fossil fuels is an ecological advantage but that was never my point. My point was about the practicality of providing the global population with the necessary energy. Ecological advantage has no meaning when you can't produce electricity when it's dark.
@TomDB @greenpeace I pay dynamic prices for electricity. The night is usually cheap because of the wind parks. Middle of the day is cheap due to abundant solar. Only left to solve is the morning and evening peak hours. I have a small battery that carries me across. It’s really not as bad as you think.
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@Meema1616 @vnkr @greenpeace No, governments need to do that. People are not making up the rules to sway those policies when powerful lobbyist are at work behind the scenes. It’s about policy.
@TomDB @Meema1616 @vnkr @greenpeace Actually its the people unfortunately. The lobbyists that turn governments heads are paid with the money coming from consumers. If you don't buy from them they wont get paid and then they stop. Better still, buy renewables and let those companies have money for their lobbying.
No amount of government interventions have stopped narcotics trade. If there is demand supply will fight whatever obstacles even when things are clearly dangerous.
Just stop using.
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@greenpeace What if the components for solar and wind farms are on ships going through there?
@RavenLuni
That's certainly unpleasant, but it means you cannot build new ones, you can still use whatever you already have.Oil gets stuck, economy completely shuts down in a month. Panel get stuck - you have got 10 years to sort it out
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@greenpeace I’m sorry solar pannels travel from China to Europe through Suez, and the mining needed to produce them should worry your organization.
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@greenpeace that one got stuck in Suez, have you forgotten? also it can get stuck in Malacca.
just in case you missed what happens around Taiwanso naive
@mrbrown
Suez caused our panels to stop working? -
@mrbrown
Suez caused our panels to stop working?@exyi no that's just you twisting the argument. I think this makes you feel smart.
Ideology is always easier. Real life is harder. You're not different from Trump MAGA, just on the opposite side.
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@exyi no that's just you twisting the argument. I think this makes you feel smart.
Ideology is always easier. Real life is harder. You're not different from Trump MAGA, just on the opposite side.
Have fun. go to study@mrbrown
What am I twisting and what do you want me to study?Do the panels/windmills stop working or not? Combustion engines certainly don't work when you suddenly cannot import enough oil.
