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  • robjlow@mathstodon.xyzR robjlow@mathstodon.xyz

    @ColinTheMathmo Sofia Kowalewskaya maybe?

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    @ColinTheMathmo also Mary Cartwright, a first in many ways, not nearly as well known as she deserves to be.

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    • colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyzC colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyz

      Don't make me regret this ...

      I'm thinking of making a timeline of characters and events from history that school children might know of and be interested in. Most timelines you find are overly complex, or overly simplistic.

      Who and what would you include?

      I'm interested in connecting science people with historical context, and pulling in non-(old dead white dude)s.

      1/n

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      @ColinTheMathmo

      Emmy Noether ?

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      • colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyzC colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyz

        @e7_87 That's a great take ... I will definitely look at emphasising that.

        Thank you!

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        @ColinTheMathmo Oh I keep getting "pop" sounds from Mastodon... This is a hot thread. 😀
        ---
        For ancient mathematics, I would choose these 6 events/concepts, which some non-western heroes appeared:

        * π (See Zu Chongzhi 429-500 from ancient China, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liu_Hui%27s_%CF%80_algorithm)

        * Quadratic Equation (many non-western mathematicians worked out the quadratic formula)

        * Zeno's paradoxes ( you can see some mentions of Chinese philosophers on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeno's_paradoxes#Similar_paradoxes )

        * Prime Numbers

        * trigonometry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_trigonometry)

        * Euclid's 'Elements' (have to say it is a great work in human math history)

        I think a grand human history is hard not to be biased, so why not first test on our specialization and leave behind "Macchiavelli", "Shakespeare", "Alexander the Great", ....

        ---

        Let me have some time for a partial list of important modern female heroines (and important non-binary)! 😀

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        • colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyzC colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyz

          Don't make me regret this ...

          I'm thinking of making a timeline of characters and events from history that school children might know of and be interested in. Most timelines you find are overly complex, or overly simplistic.

          Who and what would you include?

          I'm interested in connecting science people with historical context, and pulling in non-(old dead white dude)s.

          1/n

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          @ColinTheMathmo Top two I don't see on your list -

          Hypatia (feminism, science vs religion)
          Eratosthenes (I get so sick of hearing that Columbus proved the Earth was round)

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          • colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyzC colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyz

            This list has mostly (but not entirely!) exactly them, but here are a few.

            Which of your favourites are missing? In particular, what major historical events would school children know, to allow these to be put into some sort of historical context?

            And yes, I am thinking of asking some school kids for "Famous Things".

            Galileo
            Nelson (Trafalgar)
            Wellington (Waterloo)
            Newton
            Macchiavelli
            Shakespeare
            Pythagoras
            Socrates
            Plato
            Aristotle
            Alexander the Great
            Archimedes
            Al-Khwarizmi
            Ibn Al-Haytham
            Babbage
            Turing
            Omar Khayyam
            Jabir Ibn Haiyan
            Ramanujan

            2/n

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            @ColinTheMathmo
            The guy who made stripy pyjamas cool.
            #maths

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            • colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyzC colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyz

              Don't make me regret this ...

              I'm thinking of making a timeline of characters and events from history that school children might know of and be interested in. Most timelines you find are overly complex, or overly simplistic.

              Who and what would you include?

              I'm interested in connecting science people with historical context, and pulling in non-(old dead white dude)s.

              1/n

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              @ColinTheMathmo Colin, I teach a course at my institution called “Hi(dden)story of Mathematics” and I would be happy to share the outline of my course (and even some notes) and you could adapt some of it for your purposes.

              The course is divided into units.

              Unit 1 relates to ways in which our ancestors counted. We discussed the Babylonian (base 60) enumeration system, the Roman numerals, the Maya numerals (base 20), the Inca quipu (knot counting) and yupana (Inca abacus/calculator) the enumeration system of the ancient people of India, how it was adapted by the Arabs and the abacus and the Chinese counting rods.

              Unit 2 relates to how ancient cultures develop ways to measure time (why does a circle have 360 degrees) along with storytelling exploring the significance/mysticism surrounding the numbers 7 and 12 (twelve tribes in Israel, twelve disciples of Jesus, twelve gods living in Olympus, twelve animals running the race for the jade emperor, twelve sons of Ishmael) why 13 is unlucky in Europe but not elsewhere, and how 13 is a sacred number instead for the Maya and the Egyptians for example. We also discuss the Maya calendar, the Jewish calendar and discuss how to convert between dates in those calendars and the Gregorian one.

              Unit 3 relates to the origins on combinatorics and we discuss Acharya Pingala’s rules for enumerating verse structures in Sanskrit and realize Pingala described the binary enumerating system, the binomial coefficients and the Fibonacci numbers all based on verse structure of poetry. We connect this discovery (which happened in 400 BCE) to Fibonacci’s liber abaci and Blaise Pascal’s triangle and have a discussion on why we call them today Pascal’s triangle and Fibonacci numbers instead of Pingala’s triangle and numbers. In the end we decide that we should call them the Fibonacci-Pingala numbers and the Pascal-Pingala triangle (this eventually gets further renamed to Khayam-Pascal-Pingala triangle)

              I will continue later…

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              • kat@is.burntout.orgK kat@is.burntout.org

                @ColinTheMathmo

                Emmy Noether ?

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                @kat @ColinTheMathmo

                Absolutely!!

                Emma Noether!

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                • colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyzC colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyz

                  Don't make me regret this ...

                  I'm thinking of making a timeline of characters and events from history that school children might know of and be interested in. Most timelines you find are overly complex, or overly simplistic.

                  Who and what would you include?

                  I'm interested in connecting science people with historical context, and pulling in non-(old dead white dude)s.

                  1/n

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                  @ColinTheMathmo names like artists and composers come up all the time with no inherent way to connect them to an era. I'd pop Mozart, Bach, Van Gogh, Picasso etc etc on there, since kids (and adults) are still expected to know who they are without anyone bothering to tell them.

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                  • colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyzC colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyz

                    Don't make me regret this ...

                    I'm thinking of making a timeline of characters and events from history that school children might know of and be interested in. Most timelines you find are overly complex, or overly simplistic.

                    Who and what would you include?

                    I'm interested in connecting science people with historical context, and pulling in non-(old dead white dude)s.

                    1/n

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                    @ColinTheMathmo

                    I see Grace Hopper and Ada Lovelace are already mentioned, but not Melba Roy Mouton yet.

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                      @mike Ooo ... nice one.

                      The classic "nano-second"

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                      • e7_87@mathstodon.xyzE e7_87@mathstodon.xyz

                        @ColinTheMathmo Oh I keep getting "pop" sounds from Mastodon... This is a hot thread. 😀
                        ---
                        For ancient mathematics, I would choose these 6 events/concepts, which some non-western heroes appeared:

                        * π (See Zu Chongzhi 429-500 from ancient China, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liu_Hui%27s_%CF%80_algorithm)

                        * Quadratic Equation (many non-western mathematicians worked out the quadratic formula)

                        * Zeno's paradoxes ( you can see some mentions of Chinese philosophers on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeno's_paradoxes#Similar_paradoxes )

                        * Prime Numbers

                        * trigonometry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_trigonometry)

                        * Euclid's 'Elements' (have to say it is a great work in human math history)

                        I think a grand human history is hard not to be biased, so why not first test on our specialization and leave behind "Macchiavelli", "Shakespeare", "Alexander the Great", ....

                        ---

                        Let me have some time for a partial list of important modern female heroines (and important non-binary)! 😀

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                        @e7_87 I'd like to have "Well known characters" included to help some people make the cross-connections.

                        Knowing that X was at the same time as Y can be a useful connection.

                        Example: Knowing that Alexander the Great was tutored by Aristotle, and that Aristotle was in Plato's Academy, is a nice connection.

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                        • xanna@mastodon.ieX xanna@mastodon.ie

                          @ColinTheMathmo names like artists and composers come up all the time with no inherent way to connect them to an era. I'd pop Mozart, Bach, Van Gogh, Picasso etc etc on there, since kids (and adults) are still expected to know who they are without anyone bothering to tell them.

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                          @xanna Exactly ... helping kids understand something of the connections between names they know, and names they could know, is part of the aim.

                          Thank you ...

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                            @mike 😆

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                              @vulturus Absolutely Emmy Noether.

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                              • colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyzC colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyz

                                Don't make me regret this ...

                                I'm thinking of making a timeline of characters and events from history that school children might know of and be interested in. Most timelines you find are overly complex, or overly simplistic.

                                Who and what would you include?

                                I'm interested in connecting science people with historical context, and pulling in non-(old dead white dude)s.

                                1/n

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                                @ColinTheMathmo Sophie Germain, Sofya Vasilievna Kovalevskaya

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                                • colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyzC colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyz

                                  Don't make me regret this ...

                                  I'm thinking of making a timeline of characters and events from history that school children might know of and be interested in. Most timelines you find are overly complex, or overly simplistic.

                                  Who and what would you include?

                                  I'm interested in connecting science people with historical context, and pulling in non-(old dead white dude)s.

                                  1/n

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                                  @ColinTheMathmo this thread contains three brilliant stories and if you include the mathematics it is amazing

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                                  • pascaline@mastodon.nlP pascaline@mastodon.nl

                                    @ColinTheMathmo

                                    I see Grace Hopper and Ada Lovelace are already mentioned, but not Melba Roy Mouton yet.

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                                    @pascaline Good shout:

                                    Melba Roy Mouton
                                    Katherine Johnson
                                    Dorothy Vaughan
                                    Mary Jackson

                                    But the problem becomes one of the timeline and database becoming "too complete", and hence "overly complex" and thereby effectively inaccessible.

                                    But absolutely, if choices are to be made, these people should be close to the top.

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                                    • colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyzC colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyz

                                      Don't make me regret this ...

                                      I'm thinking of making a timeline of characters and events from history that school children might know of and be interested in. Most timelines you find are overly complex, or overly simplistic.

                                      Who and what would you include?

                                      I'm interested in connecting science people with historical context, and pulling in non-(old dead white dude)s.

                                      1/n

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                                      @ColinTheMathmo Omar Khayyam, mathematician and author of the great poem "Rubaiyat". I love how he tried to solve the algebraic 3rd degree equation, failed, but recognised that someone would do it in the future. In "Samarkanda", by Amin Maalouf, he's one of the main characters, I recommend that book as well.

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                                      • colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyzC colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyz

                                        To some extent, I'd like people in general, children in particular, to hear of someone, then be able to put them into context.

                                        I think this is an impossible task, so in some senses I'm looking to see why and how it's impossible, perhaps then to decrease the scope and ambition, possibly to make something useful.

                                        Eventually.

                                        4/n, n=4

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                                        @ColinTheMathmo
                                        Eratosthenes' prime number sieve is a common teaching tool in British schools, though mention of that name is less common.

                                        Florence Nightingale is someone that almost every schoolchild in the UK knows of, though vanishingly few encounter her as a mathematical figure.

                                        The 'Rhind' papyrus is one of the mathematical historical objects that is more likely to be encountered by folk who do not consider themselves as 'maths people'. That presents an opportunity to discuss whether there might be better ways to name such things, and introduce them to Ahmes.

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                                        • colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyzC colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyz

                                          Don't make me regret this ...

                                          I'm thinking of making a timeline of characters and events from history that school children might know of and be interested in. Most timelines you find are overly complex, or overly simplistic.

                                          Who and what would you include?

                                          I'm interested in connecting science people with historical context, and pulling in non-(old dead white dude)s.

                                          1/n

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                                          @ColinTheMathmo
                                          You could include:
                                          Zheng Yi Sao: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zheng_Yi_Sao
                                          Joséphine Baker: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephine_Baker
                                          Toussaint Louverture: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toussaint_Louverture

                                          One way to do this would be to consider historical events outside of Europe and the US. Even if you restrict it to Western history, there are so many intersections with the rest of the world, looking at the other side of those intersections should bring interesting historical figures.

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