this week's opinion.
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@NicksWorld I got the chance to use it a few times in high school on the school computers. It wasn't nearly as good as Windows. Voiceover is far more complex to use than either Jaws or NVDA.
@mrkrabs Were you using a Mac computer?
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@ratking Yes, this I know. Still, I personally like IOS.
@NicksWorld I use both as i need too, but if i had to choose it'd be android. I dont' say it lightly
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@mrkrabs Were you using a Mac computer?
@NicksWorld Yes. It was one of the big all-in-one devices. It was a bit larger than the average monitor and boxy in back. I think it was an iMac.
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this week's opinion. mac OS is nowhere near as good as IOS and iPad OS, at least for me and my personal experience having seen it and tried and trust me, I do mean tried and epically failed. If Mac came with those 2 operating systems instead of their own software, #Blind people would be way better off because who doesn't know how to use an iPhone or iPad these days? I'm not saying that all blind people know how to use it, just that a large amount go for Apple and windows instead of Android for a reason.
@NicksWorld With respect, I disagree. OSX is an excellent OS. VO on OSX is garbage. OSX itself works very well for the normal user, and indeed usually works far better than Windows. The problem is only for blind users, who have all their experience of the OS filtered through VO. Vo on IOS is quite bad, but is still far better than VO on OSX, which is why we, as blind people, generally see it as a mess.
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@NicksWorld With respect, I disagree. OSX is an excellent OS. VO on OSX is garbage. OSX itself works very well for the normal user, and indeed usually works far better than Windows. The problem is only for blind users, who have all their experience of the OS filtered through VO. Vo on IOS is quite bad, but is still far better than VO on OSX, which is why we, as blind people, generally see it as a mess.
@techsinger Dude, I use voiceover all the time and have no problems. Mac's system is overly complicated.
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@techsinger Dude, I use voiceover all the time and have no problems. Mac's system is overly complicated.
@NicksWorld You use VO on the mac and have no problem?
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@NicksWorld You use VO on the mac and have no problem?
@techsinger Nah, I don't use a Mac. I use IOS and iPadOS.
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this week's opinion. mac OS is nowhere near as good as IOS and iPad OS, at least for me and my personal experience having seen it and tried and trust me, I do mean tried and epically failed. If Mac came with those 2 operating systems instead of their own software, #Blind people would be way better off because who doesn't know how to use an iPhone or iPad these days? I'm not saying that all blind people know how to use it, just that a large amount go for Apple and windows instead of Android for a reason.
@NicksWorld There you go. An uninformed opinion. You, don't use a mac. You can't give an opinion like that without having evidence to back it up.
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@techsinger Nah, I don't use a Mac. I use IOS and iPadOS.
@NicksWorld VO on the Mac and iOS share very little except their name, I'm afraid. To judge VO on OSX, you've got to use OSX, sadly. Lots of people have found this out the hard way. VO on iOS could be allot worse, so they say "let's buy a Mac", I can more or less use VO on iOS, surely the thing going by the same name on the Mac is the same? In fact, it's not even close.
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@NicksWorld There you go. An uninformed opinion. You, don't use a mac. You can't give an opinion like that without having evidence to back it up.
@SapphireRose91 I've seen my brother try to use the thing, and he defaults to windows because it works better like, it takes 3 hours to do something for him that would literally take 2 minutes with windows. this is why I'm saying iPadOS and IOS and not MacOS are far superior.
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@NicksWorld VO on the Mac and iOS share very little except their name, I'm afraid. To judge VO on OSX, you've got to use OSX, sadly. Lots of people have found this out the hard way. VO on iOS could be allot worse, so they say "let's buy a Mac", I can more or less use VO on iOS, surely the thing going by the same name on the Mac is the same? In fact, it's not even close.
@techsinger iPads and iPhones have simpler interfaces which is great because Mac just carries so much unnecessary stuff.
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@SapphireRose91 I've seen my brother try to use the thing, and he defaults to windows because it works better like, it takes 3 hours to do something for him that would literally take 2 minutes with windows. this is why I'm saying iPadOS and IOS and not MacOS are far superior.
@NicksWorld @SapphireRose91 taht's his use though man, not everyone. I'm quite fast on my mac
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@SapphireRose91 I've seen my brother try to use the thing, and he defaults to windows because it works better like, it takes 3 hours to do something for him that would literally take 2 minutes with windows. this is why I'm saying iPadOS and IOS and not MacOS are far superior.
@NicksWorld Everyone has differing experiences. I know plenty of blind people who use the mac full time.
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@NicksWorld @SapphireRose91 taht's his use though man, not everyone. I'm quite fast on my mac
@ratking @SapphireRose91 Yeah, but you can't just pick up a mac first day and begin to use it. I can pick up an iPad and just know how to use it, no changes at all and no complicated menus or tables, both of which I've seen with Mac.
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@NicksWorld Everyone has differing experiences. I know plenty of blind people who use the mac full time.
@SapphireRose91 Yeah, but I'm gonna ask, how long have they been using mac? and I didn't say that *all* blind people use windows or IOS or iPadOS but not Mac.
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@ratking @SapphireRose91 Yeah, but you can't just pick up a mac first day and begin to use it. I can pick up an iPad and just know how to use it, no changes at all and no complicated menus or tables, both of which I've seen with Mac.
@NicksWorld @ratking Yes, you can. There's a voice over tutorial for a reason, and that's not true of iOS either. When I got my first iPhone in 2011 it took me longer than a day to use it properly. I wasn't even what one would call competent until almost a month later.
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@SapphireRose91 Yeah, but I'm gonna ask, how long have they been using mac? and I didn't say that *all* blind people use windows or IOS or iPadOS but not Mac.
@NicksWorld Over a decade.
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@NicksWorld Over a decade.
@SapphireRose91 When I started using iPhones, it really only took me a day to learn before I got good at it.
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@SapphireRose91 When I started using iPhones, it really only took me a day to learn before I got good at it.
@NicksWorld You want a medal?
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@NicksWorld @ratking Yes, you can. There's a voice over tutorial for a reason, and that's not true of iOS either. When I got my first iPhone in 2011 it took me longer than a day to use it properly. I wasn't even what one would call competent until almost a month later.
@SapphireRose91 @ratking I'd still rather use an iPad. Now that's much better because of the simple interface. Just saying they could simplify it.
