The free world did not beat Adolf Hitler to let amateur Hitler take over America.
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wwii was about freedom
not in the sense that the west was beautiful perfect utopia, but in the sense that it was defeating outright fascism
the garden variety cynical midwit thinks pointing out the west sucks in many ways, then and now, somehow removes that point. it doesn't. it just signifies they'e an unserious edgelord
now make sure to complain about rudeness
as if you don't deserve it
I don't blame you for believing in those facts you spread here. Many of us do and it makes those belonging to the good ones, which always is desirable.
So - please, tell me what you are thinking of the US standing by calmly as Hitler started to first annihilate Poland, then France partially whilst pounding UK cities?
See the problem?
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if you're saying to vote, i have no problem with you. i embrace you
i simply ask you to not voice rationalizations that convince people not to vote
i'm not asking for airhead optimism. but i am asking for the abandonment of mindless cynicism
"Voting won't change the results"
stop saying shit like this. it's a lie
it leads to people not voting. and *that* is what gets us more of the same or worse more than any other factor
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if you're saying to vote, i have no problem with you. i embrace you
i simply ask you to not voice rationalizations that convince people not to vote
i'm not asking for airhead optimism. but i am asking for the abandonment of mindless cynicism
"Voting won't change the results"
stop saying shit like this. it's a lie
it leads to people not voting. and *that* is what gets us more of the same or worse more than any other factor
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I don't blame you for believing in those facts you spread here. Many of us do and it makes those belonging to the good ones, which always is desirable.
So - please, tell me what you are thinking of the US standing by calmly as Hitler started to first annihilate Poland, then France partially whilst pounding UK cities?
See the problem?
so you're using the fact that the usa delayed entry into wwii as a basis for your "everything the same waah waah" hilariously mindless shit?
listen to me galaxy brain:
the usa fucking sucks. then and now
but what was the west fighting? what did that entity represent?
do you understand the answer to that question and you think you're clever? or you're just so flabby brained you can't or won't tell the difference?
i'm sorry i called you a midwit, you're really a moron
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i'll further simplify:
randahl's message is to fucking vote
to choose better
if we sustain that effort we eventually iterate to good
the real problem is this weak self-defeating mindless trap of "nothing changes, everything the same waah waah." people sitting there like lumps and by their inaction the world certainly goes worse
mental gymnastics trying to justify the lie it was always the same all the time
and doing nothing else
better. or worse
we must make the choice
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The free world did not beat Adolf Hitler to let amateur Hitler take over America.
Vote in November.
@randahl wow!!!
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@tarheel @benroyce@mastodon.social @randahl not sure type of education, but imagine one where critical thinking was possible. Where voting for a charlatan criminal narcissist was less appealing. One where undermining one's own self interests was acceptable as long as those you hated were punished - this concept seemed absurd. One that learned from history
1970's Nixon/GOP aligned with the Fundamental Christians & began disassembling what had been the best affordable public school system in the world. (The push for god in school) The point is we had excellent education, they understood that is where the real damage needs to be done. We were going through so many changes no one really noticed. GOP was reacting to FDR's policies. We were also trying to expand what we had to all folks, never made it. Still a heavy lift.
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@randahl I think that take is quite simplifying. The free world in the sense of US politics certainly didn't beat Hitler, it wasn't about freedom from my point of view. The US helped one evil to win over another. The consequences of these actions can be seen in the present. But focusing purely on US politics it can be still helpful to look into the point of view that got to this point. What where the motivations of previous administrations for war and how did it led there.
@thaodan Would you care to elaborate, because I am not sure I agree with World War 2 simply being one evil defeating another.
Hitler had an ambition of enslaving peoples that were different from his own people. That is evil.
The allies had an ambition of freeing the countries Hitler occupied and replacing the violent, totalitarian regime with democracies and peace. That is good.
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I don't blame you for believing in those facts you spread here. Many of us do and it makes those belonging to the good ones, which always is desirable.
So - please, tell me what you are thinking of the US standing by calmly as Hitler started to first annihilate Poland, then France partially whilst pounding UK cities?
See the problem?
@finche please read Roosevelt's speeches from the early years of World War 2. He wanted to defeat Hitler from the very beginning, but it took time to convince Parliament — especially at a time where they did not have any internet, and most had never been to Poland.
I find it much more worrying that EU today still has not entered the Ukraine war to stop Putin.
In 1940s few knew about Nazi death camps. Today, we all know about Putin's torture, child abductions, and war crimes.
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@finche please read Roosevelt's speeches from the early years of World War 2. He wanted to defeat Hitler from the very beginning, but it took time to convince Parliament — especially at a time where they did not have any internet, and most had never been to Poland.
I find it much more worrying that EU today still has not entered the Ukraine war to stop Putin.
In 1940s few knew about Nazi death camps. Today, we all know about Putin's torture, child abductions, and war crimes.
@randahl @benroyce@mastodon.social
You are right resp. Europe leaving UA alone. For me it's a moral nightmare to see politicians proudly touting "Western values" and toetapping around decisive action from the beginning on (5000 helmets are my favourite).
In 2022 I was laughed at because I called for transforming economy into a war economy. Silly me thought that being the consequence of pursuing Western values.
I stood corrected:))
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@thaodan Would you care to elaborate, because I am not sure I agree with World War 2 simply being one evil defeating another.
Hitler had an ambition of enslaving peoples that were different from his own people. That is evil.
The allies had an ambition of freeing the countries Hitler occupied and replacing the violent, totalitarian regime with democracies and peace. That is good.
@randahl First of all who is the allies? The allies consisted of multiple parties with shared goals but also different issues on the global scale. The other evil is Stalin and the Soviet Union in general at that time. To Hitler, is his people the Nazis wanted to reshape everyone to their own ideals. I'm not sure whom you mean his own people but there was no differentiation between it's own culture and others. Remember the fascists did in the war they did long before in their own countries.
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@randahl First of all who is the allies? The allies consisted of multiple parties with shared goals but also different issues on the global scale. The other evil is Stalin and the Soviet Union in general at that time. To Hitler, is his people the Nazis wanted to reshape everyone to their own ideals. I'm not sure whom you mean his own people but there was no differentiation between it's own culture and others. Remember the fascists did in the war they did long before in their own countries.
@randahl I simplified what I tried to say here greatly but the main point is that it's not about good vs evil but about different actors with their own agencies. Of course the fascists did not have a positive agenda but reducing them to being evil removes any background to how they reached the point they where in at end of the war.
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