Devuan it is then.

[mhoye@cosocial.ca]

Devuan it is then.

systemd/AGENTS.md at main · systemd/systemd

The systemd System and Service Manager . Contribute to systemd/systemd development by creating an account on GitHub.

GitHub (github.com)

[csgraves@turtleisland.social]

@mhoye oh for crying out loud! Look, I run Ubuntu, don't alter it much, and usually don't care about systemD. However, this icks me the hell out!

[csgraves@turtleisland.social]

@mhoye So, a very good question about Devuan; How is it with dealing with proprietary chips, like wifi?

[oyoun@mastodon.social]

@mhoye freebsd ?

[jbowen@mast.hpc.social]

@oyoun @mhoye Yeah, there are also BSDs (I'm a NetBSD fan) and other Linux distros which don't use systemd, like Void, Gentoo (as an option), Alpine (also musl libc), etc.

[mhoye@cosocial.ca]

@oyoun My muscle memory is all linux and has been for a long time.

But is there a Good Starter BSD out there? I'd be happy to give it a shot.

(hey, @mwl, what's good?)

[oyoun@mastodon.social]

@mhoye @mwl https://docs.freebsd.org/en/

[mhd@tilde.zone]

@mhoye Slackware?

[mntmn@mastodon.social]

@mhoye ooof

[mwl@io.mwl.io]

@mhoye @oyoun

Truth is, an experienced sysadmin shouldn't have trouble with any of them.

OpenBSD has more of a learning curb.

With pkgbase, FreeBSD has some echoes of debian. (The installer is the worst part for new folks.)

NetBSD is minimal, but just works.

If you want a desktop OS, you might try GhostBSD. https://www.ghostbsd.org/ --FreeBSD with friendly installer, defaults, gui, etc

[oyoun@mastodon.social]

@mwl @mhoye https://www.ghostbsd.org/news/December_2025_Finance_Report uses claude LOL

[mwl@io.mwl.io]

@oyoun @mhoye well crap nevermind

[daisybranch@babka.social]

@mhoye goddamn it I just switched back to Debian from Void!! UGH!!!!

[mhoye@cosocial.ca]

@mntmn Very large ooof.

[c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.io]

@mhoye goddamnit

[mhoye@cosocial.ca]

What options do I have, if I want an operating system and software that won't take a dependency on nondeterministic, proprietary generators?

[technomancy@hey.hagelb.org]

@mhoye among TempleOS, CollapseOS, and ReactOS, I think the latter comes out as the winner

but yeah, if Debian refuses to take the Debian Social Contract seriously then we badly need a fork that does

[otfrom@functional.cafe]

@technomancy @mhoye I'm a bit behind on the current discussions on the list, but possibly guix

[c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.io]

@mhoye s6 and openrc still holding strong against the tide of bullshit, right? @ska @navi

[yoasif@mastodon.social]

@mhoye https://redox-os.org