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  • mhoye@cosocial.caM mhoye@cosocial.ca

    @oyoun My muscle memory is all linux and has been for a long time.

    But is there a Good Starter BSD out there? I'd be happy to give it a shot.

    (hey, @mwl, what's good?)

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    @mhoye @mwl https://docs.freebsd.org/en/

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    • mhoye@cosocial.caM mhoye@cosocial.ca

      Devuan it is then.

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      @mhoye Slackware?

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      • mhoye@cosocial.caM mhoye@cosocial.ca

        Devuan it is then.

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        @mhoye ooof

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        • mhoye@cosocial.caM mhoye@cosocial.ca

          @oyoun My muscle memory is all linux and has been for a long time.

          But is there a Good Starter BSD out there? I'd be happy to give it a shot.

          (hey, @mwl, what's good?)

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          @mhoye @oyoun

          Truth is, an experienced sysadmin shouldn't have trouble with any of them.

          OpenBSD has more of a learning curb.

          With pkgbase, FreeBSD has some echoes of debian. (The installer is the worst part for new folks.)

          NetBSD is minimal, but just works.

          If you want a desktop OS, you might try GhostBSD. https://www.ghostbsd.org/ --FreeBSD with friendly installer, defaults, gui, etc

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          • mwl@io.mwl.ioM mwl@io.mwl.io

            @mhoye @oyoun

            Truth is, an experienced sysadmin shouldn't have trouble with any of them.

            OpenBSD has more of a learning curb.

            With pkgbase, FreeBSD has some echoes of debian. (The installer is the worst part for new folks.)

            NetBSD is minimal, but just works.

            If you want a desktop OS, you might try GhostBSD. https://www.ghostbsd.org/ --FreeBSD with friendly installer, defaults, gui, etc

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            @mwl @mhoye https://www.ghostbsd.org/news/December_2025_Finance_Report uses claude LOL

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              @mwl @mhoye https://www.ghostbsd.org/news/December_2025_Finance_Report uses claude LOL

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              @oyoun @mhoye well crap nevermind

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              • mhoye@cosocial.caM mhoye@cosocial.ca

                Devuan it is then.

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                @mhoye goddamn it I just switched back to Debian from Void!! UGH!!!!

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                • mntmn@mastodon.socialM mntmn@mastodon.social

                  @mhoye ooof

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                  @mntmn Very large ooof.

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                  • mhoye@cosocial.caM mhoye@cosocial.ca

                    Devuan it is then.

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                    @mhoye goddamnit

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                    • mhoye@cosocial.caM mhoye@cosocial.ca

                      Devuan it is then.

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                      What options do I have, if I want an operating system and software that won't take a dependency on nondeterministic, proprietary generators?

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                      • mhoye@cosocial.caM mhoye@cosocial.ca

                        What options do I have, if I want an operating system and software that won't take a dependency on nondeterministic, proprietary generators?

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                        @mhoye among TempleOS, CollapseOS, and ReactOS, I think the latter comes out as the winner

                        but yeah, if Debian refuses to take the Debian Social Contract seriously then we badly need a fork that does

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                        • technomancy@hey.hagelb.orgT technomancy@hey.hagelb.org

                          @mhoye among TempleOS, CollapseOS, and ReactOS, I think the latter comes out as the winner

                          but yeah, if Debian refuses to take the Debian Social Contract seriously then we badly need a fork that does

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                          @technomancy @mhoye I'm a bit behind on the current discussions on the list, but possibly guix

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                          • mhoye@cosocial.caM mhoye@cosocial.ca

                            Devuan it is then.

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                            @mhoye s6 and openrc still holding strong against the tide of bullshit, right? @ska @navi

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                            • mhoye@cosocial.caM mhoye@cosocial.ca

                              What options do I have, if I want an operating system and software that won't take a dependency on nondeterministic, proprietary generators?

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                              @mhoye https://redox-os.org

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                              • mhoye@cosocial.caM mhoye@cosocial.ca

                                What options do I have, if I want an operating system and software that won't take a dependency on nondeterministic, proprietary generators?

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                                @mhoye I think one or two of the BSDs are about it at this point. I'd say Alpine or Chimera, but they use the linux kernel and the linux kernel is now accepting slop.

                                Maybe Haiku or ... the rust OS the name of which I can never remember?

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                                • c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.ioC c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.io

                                  @mhoye s6 and openrc still holding strong against the tide of bullshit, right? @ska @navi

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                                  @c0dec0dec0de @mhoye

                                  yes, both @ska and i have personal policies for not accepting llm contributions (i will get around to adding a contributing.md to openrc stating that, soon™...)
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                                  • navi@social.vlhl.devN navi@social.vlhl.dev
                                    @c0dec0dec0de @mhoye

                                    yes, both @ska and i have personal policies for not accepting llm contributions (i will get around to adding a contributing.md to openrc stating that, soon™...)
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                                    @navi @mhoye @ska thank you

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                                    • mhoye@cosocial.caM mhoye@cosocial.ca

                                      What options do I have, if I want an operating system and software that won't take a dependency on nondeterministic, proprietary generators?

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                                      @mhoye How are the various BSDs doing these days?

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                                      • owen@mastodon.transneptune.netO owen@mastodon.transneptune.net

                                        @mhoye How are the various BSDs doing these days?

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                                        @owen It's time to find out, looks like.

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                                        • mhoye@cosocial.caM mhoye@cosocial.ca

                                          Devuan it is then.

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                                          @mhoye or #guix, with #shepherd, a guile scheme based init system

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