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I'd like to share a few fun facts about this $30M private jet.

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  • oration@mastodon.socialO oration@mastodon.social

    But, my brother's fly-in community's airport would have to double their runway length and also pave it.

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    Indigenous-owned Air Creebec already owns 20 Dash-8s and I'm sure would be delighted to offer a very affordable charter contract to the province in order to pimp one up for VIP travel and dedicate it to the province just like CargoJet pimped up one of their 767s for Drake.

    But. . . . Doug Ford might still be stinging from his 2019 scandal where he wanted to spend $50k pimping up an OPP Sprinter van for his official road trips.

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    • oration@mastodon.socialO oration@mastodon.social

      Indigenous-owned Air Creebec already owns 20 Dash-8s and I'm sure would be delighted to offer a very affordable charter contract to the province in order to pimp one up for VIP travel and dedicate it to the province just like CargoJet pimped up one of their 767s for Drake.

      But. . . . Doug Ford might still be stinging from his 2019 scandal where he wanted to spend $50k pimping up an OPP Sprinter van for his official road trips.

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      Ontario airports with runways that can handle a Challenger 650: Pearson, Ottawa, Hamilton, North Bay, Windsor, Thunder Bay, and *maybe* Timmins with the right winds and weather.

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      • oration@mastodon.socialO oration@mastodon.social

        Ontario airports with runways that can handle a Challenger 650: Pearson, Ottawa, Hamilton, North Bay, Windsor, Thunder Bay, and *maybe* Timmins with the right winds and weather.

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        @oration He did not buy it to travel Ontario.

        Wouldn’t it suck if someone started tracking the plane’s tailsign and published every single trip it did on a page for everyone to see?

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        • renata@cosocial.caR renata@cosocial.ca

          @oration He did not buy it to travel Ontario.

          Wouldn’t it suck if someone started tracking the plane’s tailsign and published every single trip it did on a page for everyone to see?

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          @renata I never believe his stated reasons for things, but you're right that his stated reason is allegedly to visit the US and fight tariffs, which is hopefully a temporary need and temporary needs do not justify this kind of capital expenditure.

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          • oration@mastodon.socialO oration@mastodon.social

            @renata I never believe his stated reasons for things, but you're right that his stated reason is allegedly to visit the US and fight tariffs, which is hopefully a temporary need and temporary needs do not justify this kind of capital expenditure.

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            @oration @renata the province COULD put the jet up for use on a fractonal jet sharing platform like NetJets or whatever, but then the counter argument is why does the province need to absorb the capital outlay and why not just get Ford and entourage NetJets memberships?

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            • oration@mastodon.socialO oration@mastodon.social

              @renata I never believe his stated reasons for things, but you're right that his stated reason is allegedly to visit the US and fight tariffs, which is hopefully a temporary need and temporary needs do not justify this kind of capital expenditure.

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              @renata Bombardier only made two Challenger 650s in Canada that are still legally registered to be flown by Canadian pilots: C-GZUM and C-FBBW.

              C-GZUM doesn't match the news description, since it's been in operation by Skyservice in Montreal for 6 years and the news is reporting that Doug's jet was bought from a South American and recently imported.

              C-FBBW was imported and registered in Canada by ACASS on 2026-04-10 and it first flew to Canada (Pearson) with that registration on 2026-04-15.

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              • tezoatlipoca@mas.toT tezoatlipoca@mas.to

                @oration @renata the province COULD put the jet up for use on a fractonal jet sharing platform like NetJets or whatever, but then the counter argument is why does the province need to absorb the capital outlay and why not just get Ford and entourage NetJets memberships?

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                @tezoatlipoca @renata I'm willing to bet that his jet is C-FBBW - legally owned by charter company ACASS Canada Ltd: https://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/saf-sec-sur/2/ccarcs-riacc/ADet.aspx?id=527669

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                • oration@mastodon.socialO oration@mastodon.social

                  @renata Bombardier only made two Challenger 650s in Canada that are still legally registered to be flown by Canadian pilots: C-GZUM and C-FBBW.

                  C-GZUM doesn't match the news description, since it's been in operation by Skyservice in Montreal for 6 years and the news is reporting that Doug's jet was bought from a South American and recently imported.

                  C-FBBW was imported and registered in Canada by ACASS on 2026-04-10 and it first flew to Canada (Pearson) with that registration on 2026-04-15.

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                  @renata - That importation flight to Pearson was then followed by a test flight to Sudbury, you can track the plane at https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=c002d5&lat=41.803&lon=-77.736&zoom=6.4&showTrace=2026-04-15&trackLabels

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                  • oration@mastodon.socialO oration@mastodon.social

                    @renata - That importation flight to Pearson was then followed by a test flight to Sudbury, you can track the plane at https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=c002d5&lat=41.803&lon=-77.736&zoom=6.4&showTrace=2026-04-15&trackLabels

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                    @oration Great investigation

                    Now all we need is to keep track of what is he really doing with his 30M toy because plane tracking is public info

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                    • renata@cosocial.caR renata@cosocial.ca

                      @oration Great investigation

                      Now all we need is to keep track of what is he really doing with his 30M toy because plane tracking is public info

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                      @renata I'm confident that @JxckS will take care of this in due course.

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                      • oration@mastodon.socialO oration@mastodon.social

                        @renata I'm confident that @JxckS will take care of this in due course.

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                        @oration @renata @JxckS I vote for the name "Doug Ford's Gravy Plane".

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                        • oration@mastodon.socialO oration@mastodon.social

                          Indigenous-owned Air Creebec already owns 20 Dash-8s and I'm sure would be delighted to offer a very affordable charter contract to the province in order to pimp one up for VIP travel and dedicate it to the province just like CargoJet pimped up one of their 767s for Drake.

                          But. . . . Doug Ford might still be stinging from his 2019 scandal where he wanted to spend $50k pimping up an OPP Sprinter van for his official road trips.

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                          @oration Air Creebec is an amazing name. I love it.

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                          • renata@cosocial.caR renata@cosocial.ca

                            @oration He did not buy it to travel Ontario.

                            Wouldn’t it suck if someone started tracking the plane’s tailsign and published every single trip it did on a page for everyone to see?

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                            @renata
                            I wonder if the folks behind @elonjet or @ZuckJet might be able to help with that? 🤔

                            @oration

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                            • crispius@mstdn.fname.caC crispius@mstdn.fname.ca

                              @renata
                              I wonder if the folks behind @elonjet or @ZuckJet might be able to help with that? 🤔

                              @oration

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                              @crispius @renata @elonjet @ZuckJet - I have already filled out the Google Form for that Ground Control team

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                              • oration@mastodon.socialO oration@mastodon.social

                                RE: https://disabled.social/@MikeImBack/116420391595617233

                                I'd like to share a few fun facts about this $30M private jet. . . . it would require a 50% runway length extension to takeoff from Toronto City Center Island Airport. It can't operate on the gravel runways in Northern communities like a Dash-8 can, which costs $26M less.

                                My brother lives 1,000km North in a fly-in community. That's a 1:15 travel time in this jet, and 1:30 travel time in a Dash-8. A round-trip would burn about $10,000 in gas for this jet, and about $6,000 for the Dash-8.

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                                @oration Ahh, is this why he wants the island airport expanded

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                                • crispius@mstdn.fname.caC crispius@mstdn.fname.ca

                                  @renata
                                  I wonder if the folks behind @elonjet or @ZuckJet might be able to help with that? 🤔

                                  @oration

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                                  @crispius We definitely need that!

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                                  • z3r0fox@mastodon.socialZ z3r0fox@mastodon.social

                                    @oration Ahh, is this why he wants the island airport expanded

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                                    @z3r0fox I do not believe that his currently-proposed runway extension will be extensive enough to extend for this particular jet, I do not think he is that good at planning.

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                                    • oration@mastodon.socialO oration@mastodon.social

                                      @z3r0fox I do not believe that his currently-proposed runway extension will be extensive enough to extend for this particular jet, I do not think he is that good at planning.

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                                      @z3r0fox - The island airport runway is currently 1,216m in length. The Challenger 650 requires 1,720m, and Canadian regulations require an additional 900m of safety extension at each end of a jet runway.

                                      The island runway would have to grow from 1,216m to a minimum of 3,520m for a Challenger 650 to safely operate.

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                                      • oration@mastodon.socialO oration@mastodon.social

                                        Ontario airports with runways that can handle a Challenger 650: Pearson, Ottawa, Hamilton, North Bay, Windsor, Thunder Bay, and *maybe* Timmins with the right winds and weather.

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                                        @oration Sudbury, Sault St. Marie...still...it's a plane with 7500km range, 14 passengers, and needs 6500ft to takeoff... where TF in the US does Ford expect to be flying it? California? Toronto-Washington is 850km.

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                                        • johnefrancis@cosocial.caJ johnefrancis@cosocial.ca

                                          @oration Sudbury, Sault St. Marie...still...it's a plane with 7500km range, 14 passengers, and needs 6500ft to takeoff... where TF in the US does Ford expect to be flying it? California? Toronto-Washington is 850km.

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                                          @johnefrancis Example recent trip: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/doug-ford-texas-trip-9.7145909

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