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What is a math concept or theorem that you wish there were a better explanation of?

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  • futurebird@sauropods.winF This user is from outside of this forum
    futurebird@sauropods.winF This user is from outside of this forum
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    What is a math concept or theorem that you wish there were a better explanation of?

    It could be from arithmetic: Why is adding fractions so complicated?

    From grade-school algebra: Why does the teacher get so sad and angry if I just √(x²+y²)=x+y

    From the calculus: Why do I need to write dx with the integral?

    or beyond.

    ligasser@social.epfl.chL anarceus@boosts.squirrel.picturesA jakobtougaard@mastodon.onlineJ jmax@mastodon.socialJ ein_wesen@social.raccoon.collegeE 17 Replies Last reply
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    • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

      What is a math concept or theorem that you wish there were a better explanation of?

      It could be from arithmetic: Why is adding fractions so complicated?

      From grade-school algebra: Why does the teacher get so sad and angry if I just √(x²+y²)=x+y

      From the calculus: Why do I need to write dx with the integral?

      or beyond.

      ligasser@social.epfl.chL This user is from outside of this forum
      ligasser@social.epfl.chL This user is from outside of this forum
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      #2

      @futurebird I'm working with elliptic curve cryptography for over ten years now, and I still have a major revelation at least once per year... The whole concept of fields, groups, curve arithmetic, bilinear curves - it's awesome, but I just barely understand some connections.

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      • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

        What is a math concept or theorem that you wish there were a better explanation of?

        It could be from arithmetic: Why is adding fractions so complicated?

        From grade-school algebra: Why does the teacher get so sad and angry if I just √(x²+y²)=x+y

        From the calculus: Why do I need to write dx with the integral?

        or beyond.

        anarceus@boosts.squirrel.picturesA This user is from outside of this forum
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        @futurebird nothing really since my brain is finally old enough to get what I need to get but I'm proud of myself for understanding why the second example doesn't work 😭 I've come a looooong way since 2019

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        • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

          What is a math concept or theorem that you wish there were a better explanation of?

          It could be from arithmetic: Why is adding fractions so complicated?

          From grade-school algebra: Why does the teacher get so sad and angry if I just √(x²+y²)=x+y

          From the calculus: Why do I need to write dx with the integral?

          or beyond.

          jakobtougaard@mastodon.onlineJ This user is from outside of this forum
          jakobtougaard@mastodon.onlineJ This user is from outside of this forum
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          #4

          @futurebird
          Last summer I read "Is math real?", by #eugeniacheng with great pleasure. A key takeaway for me is to ask "when", instead of "why". The question becomes more open and interesting. E.g. "when is 1+1=2?" is open for discussing why one apple plus one apple is two apples, but one pile of sand plus one pile of sand is still only one pile of sand.

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          • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

            What is a math concept or theorem that you wish there were a better explanation of?

            It could be from arithmetic: Why is adding fractions so complicated?

            From grade-school algebra: Why does the teacher get so sad and angry if I just √(x²+y²)=x+y

            From the calculus: Why do I need to write dx with the integral?

            or beyond.

            jmax@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
            jmax@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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            #5

            @futurebird Why e is special. I understand why, but I've never seen a good short explanation, nor do I have one.

            jmax@mastodon.socialJ futurebird@sauropods.winF geonz@mathstodon.xyzG 3 Replies Last reply
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            • jakobtougaard@mastodon.onlineJ jakobtougaard@mastodon.online

              @futurebird
              Last summer I read "Is math real?", by #eugeniacheng with great pleasure. A key takeaway for me is to ask "when", instead of "why". The question becomes more open and interesting. E.g. "when is 1+1=2?" is open for discussing why one apple plus one apple is two apples, but one pile of sand plus one pile of sand is still only one pile of sand.

              jakobtougaard@mastodon.onlineJ This user is from outside of this forum
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              #6

              @futurebird
              This relates to your question. For example, instead of a teacher correcting a student for saying that sqrt(x^2)=x, it is better to ask when it is true. If you already know that x is positive, you can ignore the negative solution, as we routinely do.

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              • jmax@mastodon.socialJ jmax@mastodon.social

                @futurebird Why e is special. I understand why, but I've never seen a good short explanation, nor do I have one.

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                #7

                @futurebird A young lady I was trying to impress at the time asked me that question during her struggles with calculus. I would greatly have preferred an alternative to waving my hands. The desire for a simple answer has bugged me ever since.

                (She was not, in fact, impressed.)

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                • jmax@mastodon.socialJ jmax@mastodon.social

                  @futurebird Why e is special. I understand why, but I've never seen a good short explanation, nor do I have one.

                  futurebird@sauropods.winF This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @jmax

                  Exponential growth is growth that explodes. The rate an exponential is growing is increasing.

                  How fast the exponential function is growing is larger when the function is larger. The bigger x, the steeper it gets.

                  This is true for all kinds of exponentials with different (positive >1) bases but if you want the function where the rate of growth is *exactly* the value of the function that is e^x

                  That's what I think of first but I don't think it's simple enough.

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                  • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                    @jmax

                    Exponential growth is growth that explodes. The rate an exponential is growing is increasing.

                    How fast the exponential function is growing is larger when the function is larger. The bigger x, the steeper it gets.

                    This is true for all kinds of exponentials with different (positive >1) bases but if you want the function where the rate of growth is *exactly* the value of the function that is e^x

                    That's what I think of first but I don't think it's simple enough.

                    jmax@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @futurebird Yeah. It's not hard, but it's very resistant to extensive simplification.

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                    • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                      What is a math concept or theorem that you wish there were a better explanation of?

                      It could be from arithmetic: Why is adding fractions so complicated?

                      From grade-school algebra: Why does the teacher get so sad and angry if I just √(x²+y²)=x+y

                      From the calculus: Why do I need to write dx with the integral?

                      or beyond.

                      ein_wesen@social.raccoon.collegeE This user is from outside of this forum
                      ein_wesen@social.raccoon.collegeE This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #10
                      @futurebird logarithms!
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                      • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                        @jmax

                        Exponential growth is growth that explodes. The rate an exponential is growing is increasing.

                        How fast the exponential function is growing is larger when the function is larger. The bigger x, the steeper it gets.

                        This is true for all kinds of exponentials with different (positive >1) bases but if you want the function where the rate of growth is *exactly* the value of the function that is e^x

                        That's what I think of first but I don't think it's simple enough.

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                        @futurebird @jmax

                        I have a math degree and did not understand e until now.

                        (tbf to me, I mostly studied computer-related stuff that doesn't use e.)

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                        • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                          What is a math concept or theorem that you wish there were a better explanation of?

                          It could be from arithmetic: Why is adding fractions so complicated?

                          From grade-school algebra: Why does the teacher get so sad and angry if I just √(x²+y²)=x+y

                          From the calculus: Why do I need to write dx with the integral?

                          or beyond.

                          pizzademon@mastodon.onlineP This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @futurebird yeah, I echo a lot of above. I could answer test questions correctly about Euler's identity but I didn't *get* it in my bones. Always felt that if I could understand it that I could UNDERSTAND.

                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler%27s_identity

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                          • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                            What is a math concept or theorem that you wish there were a better explanation of?

                            It could be from arithmetic: Why is adding fractions so complicated?

                            From grade-school algebra: Why does the teacher get so sad and angry if I just √(x²+y²)=x+y

                            From the calculus: Why do I need to write dx with the integral?

                            or beyond.

                            meowthias@mastodon.worldM This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #13

                            @futurebird I would like an explanation for why pi goes on forever. Is it evidence we are living in a simulation? Is it because if you trace the circumference of a circle with your finger you never reach a beginning or an end? Is it a message from the gods?

                            peace@mstdn.caP futurebird@sauropods.winF asakiyume@wandering.shopA llewelly@sauropods.winL seanplynch@mastodon.socialS 8 Replies Last reply
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                            • meowthias@mastodon.worldM meowthias@mastodon.world

                              @futurebird I would like an explanation for why pi goes on forever. Is it evidence we are living in a simulation? Is it because if you trace the circumference of a circle with your finger you never reach a beginning or an end? Is it a message from the gods?

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                              @Meowthias @futurebird

                              This is so cool .. you guys are talking about pi so early in the morning. Makes me hungry 😉

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                              • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                                What is a math concept or theorem that you wish there were a better explanation of?

                                It could be from arithmetic: Why is adding fractions so complicated?

                                From grade-school algebra: Why does the teacher get so sad and angry if I just √(x²+y²)=x+y

                                From the calculus: Why do I need to write dx with the integral?

                                or beyond.

                                cford@toot.thoughtworks.comC This user is from outside of this forum
                                cford@toot.thoughtworks.comC This user is from outside of this forum
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                                @futurebird How a proof is both irrefutable and can have mistakes.

                                futurebird@sauropods.winF llewelly@sauropods.winL 2 Replies Last reply
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                                • jmax@mastodon.socialJ jmax@mastodon.social

                                  @futurebird Why e is special. I understand why, but I've never seen a good short explanation, nor do I have one.

                                  geonz@mathstodon.xyzG This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @jmax @futurebird I think that is the nature of the understanding.
                                  We have to work through the layers to get to the understanding.
                                  Sometimes it stays built, and sometimes we have to rebuild it N + 1 times 😉
                                  There is something amazing though, when one of mine *gets* a thing.
                                  Tuesday I had a "Memorized it all" student talking to a "reason it all" and the second one built the comprehension for dividing fractions and then MARVELED at when he just multiplied by the reciprocal without visualizing it etc... it still worked!!!

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                                  • meowthias@mastodon.worldM meowthias@mastodon.world

                                    @futurebird I would like an explanation for why pi goes on forever. Is it evidence we are living in a simulation? Is it because if you trace the circumference of a circle with your finger you never reach a beginning or an end? Is it a message from the gods?

                                    futurebird@sauropods.winF This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    @Meowthias

                                    Pi goes on forever because if you take the diameter of a circle and try to wrap it around the circle there is no simple ratio between these lengths.

                                    Now why isn't there a simple ratio? With a hexagon the diameter fits three times. So, why can't exactly three diameters make up the circumference of a circle?

                                    I'm thinking about how to answer this without just going "it's Euclidian space" which isn't a real explanation.

                                    Maybe someone else can help here.

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                                    • cford@toot.thoughtworks.comC cford@toot.thoughtworks.com

                                      @futurebird How a proof is both irrefutable and can have mistakes.

                                      futurebird@sauropods.winF This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #18

                                      @cford

                                      What proof are you thinking of that's like this. I tend to think a proof with "mistakes" is simply not a proof.

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                                      • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                                        What is a math concept or theorem that you wish there were a better explanation of?

                                        It could be from arithmetic: Why is adding fractions so complicated?

                                        From grade-school algebra: Why does the teacher get so sad and angry if I just √(x²+y²)=x+y

                                        From the calculus: Why do I need to write dx with the integral?

                                        or beyond.

                                        jtnystrom@genomic.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        @futurebird what precisely constitutes proof? (I know to some degree now but remember that when we first encountered the idea in school, proofs weren’t defined, just illustrated by example.)

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                                        • meowthias@mastodon.worldM meowthias@mastodon.world

                                          @futurebird I would like an explanation for why pi goes on forever. Is it evidence we are living in a simulation? Is it because if you trace the circumference of a circle with your finger you never reach a beginning or an end? Is it a message from the gods?

                                          asakiyume@wandering.shopA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          @Meowthias @futurebird I have a story about someone who believes the repeating .333 needs to be freed from that repetition. I wrote it because as a kid I couldn't believe that it would never end, even though it manifestly never ended. Similar sort of preoccupation.

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