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#Deepfakes are everywhere, but #DigitalForensics investigators are fighting back:

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  • fabmusacchio@mastodon.socialF fabmusacchio@mastodon.social

    #Deepfakes are everywhere, but #DigitalForensics investigators are fighting back:

    🌍 https://scim.ag/42dMPBg

    vekkq@social.vivaldi.netV This user is from outside of this forum
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    #100

    @FabMusacchio in the first picture, the lines may be off by measurements inaccuracies. a mirror image depends on a perfect mirror on the physical mirror. and the shadows may be off by camera lens distortion.

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    • fabmusacchio@mastodon.socialF fabmusacchio@mastodon.social

      #Deepfakes are everywhere, but #DigitalForensics investigators are fighting back:

      🌍 https://scim.ag/42dMPBg

      kawazoe@transfem.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
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      #101

      @FabMusacchio@mastodon.social If you think floor tiles are a good indication for parallel lines, you need to watch more CyFy videos 😄

      All jokes aside, this is a very good trick to spot AI content, and it still works with the most recent models.

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      • jonnyt@mastodon.me.ukJ jonnyt@mastodon.me.uk

        @NatureMC @ilusenn @FabMusacchio Definitely not a fan either but I am aware of where this one leads (or, at least, should).

        h3mmy@tech.lgbtH This user is from outside of this forum
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        #102

        @JonnyT I like using redirect checkers like WhereGoes, RedirectDetective, etc which I've found to be quite convenient

        @NatureMC @ilusenn @FabMusacchio

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        • seachaint@masto.hackers.townS seachaint@masto.hackers.town

          @ghoppe @leadore @leah @f4grx @FabMusacchio While that is technically true, the splay of shadows on Earth is negligible and nearly imperceptible in real life. In the example image it's as if the sun is a lamp a few metres away.

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          #103

          @seachaint @leadore @leah @f4grx @FabMusacchio in most situations, shadow perspective is apparent when the camera is pointing towards the sun. It’s different if camera is overhead.

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          • yannc@piaille.frY yannc@piaille.fr

            @mathieu_ @AudeCaussarieu
            Je suis quand même un chouilla réservé sur la première photo. Ok, elle semble générée par IA, mais les lignes de fuite sur lesquelles l'analyse se base sont un peu courtes. Difficile d'extrapoler sur un petit segment qui n'est pas nécessairement représentatif ni exact.
            La méthode est intéressante mais pas toujours applicable

            frankiezafe@mastodon.xyzF This user is from outside of this forum
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            #104

            @YannC @mathieu_ @AudeCaussarieu je crois que la chaîne qui rentre dans le bras gauche du soldat sur la gauche est un meilleur indice de fake que la perspective inexacte 🙂

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            • h3mmy@tech.lgbtH h3mmy@tech.lgbt

              @JonnyT I like using redirect checkers like WhereGoes, RedirectDetective, etc which I've found to be quite convenient

              @NatureMC @ilusenn @FabMusacchio

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              #105

              @h3mmy Why should I do that work: I only click and boost posts with real links, that's it. So easy. 😉 @JonnyT @ilusenn @FabMusacchio

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              • fabmusacchio@mastodon.socialF fabmusacchio@mastodon.social

                #Deepfakes are everywhere, but #DigitalForensics investigators are fighting back:

                🌍 https://scim.ag/42dMPBg

                mamalake@beige.partyM This user is from outside of this forum
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                #106

                @FabMusacchio damn, this is why they taught us math? To find the deep fakes posing as truth?

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                • yannc@piaille.frY yannc@piaille.fr

                  @mathieu_ @AudeCaussarieu
                  Je suis quand même un chouilla réservé sur la première photo. Ok, elle semble générée par IA, mais les lignes de fuite sur lesquelles l'analyse se base sont un peu courtes. Difficile d'extrapoler sur un petit segment qui n'est pas nécessairement représentatif ni exact.
                  La méthode est intéressante mais pas toujours applicable

                  flop_ysh@hostux.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #107

                  @YannC quand même il y a largement assez de pixel !

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                  • fabmusacchio@mastodon.socialF fabmusacchio@mastodon.social

                    #Deepfakes are everywhere, but #DigitalForensics investigators are fighting back:

                    🌍 https://scim.ag/42dMPBg

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                    #108

                    @FabMusacchio Perhaps they came to arrest the tiler?

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                    • fabmusacchio@mastodon.socialF fabmusacchio@mastodon.social

                      #Deepfakes are everywhere, but #DigitalForensics investigators are fighting back:

                      🌍 https://scim.ag/42dMPBg

                      freagle@mastodon.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #109

                      @FabMusacchio Someone should do this with moon landing videos

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                      • fabmusacchio@mastodon.socialF fabmusacchio@mastodon.social

                        #Deepfakes are everywhere, but #DigitalForensics investigators are fighting back:

                        🌍 https://scim.ag/42dMPBg

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                        #110

                        @FabMusacchio I would be more tolerant in the first example with the soldiers, because many builldings are not build perfectly straight or remain like that. If there is only a small error, it would not be a strong indicator for a fake. Of course, this doesn't apply to the other examples.

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                        • nihilarc@skastodon.comN nihilarc@skastodon.com

                          @FabMusacchio to be fair, the first one the perspective doesn't 100% mean it's fake. It could be that some builder somewhere did a shite job of the tiling.

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                          #111

                          @nihilarc
                          Not just that: lens distortion, uneven lighting, confusing shades, etc. - we'll see lots of people claiming something is genai since it's not perfect, but... the world is not perfect. People are already getting called out for AI writing when it's just their style.
                          @FabMusacchio

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                          • fabmusacchio@mastodon.socialF fabmusacchio@mastodon.social

                            #Deepfakes are everywhere, but #DigitalForensics investigators are fighting back:

                            🌍 https://scim.ag/42dMPBg

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                            #112

                            @FabMusacchio Also, what's with the chains? And look at the left thumb on front and center guy.

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                            • walrus@toot.walesW walrus@toot.wales

                              @nihilarc @FabMusacchio

                              As a photographer who is very fond of extremely wide angle lenses, I can tell you these tests will often fail on real images, as well. But the points made are valid...

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                              #113

                              @Walrus @nihilarc @FabMusacchio

                              Well, and besides, in a photograph with shadows, what's important is not that the lines don't converge, but that the shadows are basically at different angles, which means (would mean, in the case of a real photo or a render) that the light source is located very close.

                              Shadows from an “infinitely” distant sun should be parallel (well, on the scale of a single city square).

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                              • fabmusacchio@mastodon.socialF fabmusacchio@mastodon.social

                                #Deepfakes are everywhere, but #DigitalForensics investigators are fighting back:

                                🌍 https://scim.ag/42dMPBg

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                                #114

                                oh this is a neat trick, I usually look for distorted writing and other small detail, but latest AI models are getting better at those

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                                • fabmusacchio@mastodon.socialF fabmusacchio@mastodon.social

                                  #Deepfakes are everywhere, but #DigitalForensics investigators are fighting back:

                                  🌍 https://scim.ag/42dMPBg

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                                  #115

                                  @FabMusacchio you forgot to poison your data , you post they learn

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                                  • fabmusacchio@mastodon.socialF fabmusacchio@mastodon.social

                                    #Deepfakes are everywhere, but #DigitalForensics investigators are fighting back:

                                    🌍 https://scim.ag/42dMPBg

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                                    #116

                                    @FabMusacchio I don't know, I've seen some pretty bad tile jobs 🙂

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