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  • alexmu@social.vivaldi.netA alexmu@social.vivaldi.net

    @fesshole that is genuinely horrific. Those tokens you burn are actual resources in the real world, like water and fossil fuels.

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    @alexmu @fesshole We are forced to live in a world where we have to contribute to atrocities in order to survive.

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    • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

      @alexmu @fesshole I didn't say they want to expose you to a cognitohazard or deskill you. I said it's reasonable and ethical to protect yourself from these things by diverting their irresponsible spending to something that doesn't harm you and keeps you employed.

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      @dalias @fesshole is it really mandatory? Have you taken it up with the employer? How do your workmates feel about it? Have you talked to them? If the employer is threatening to fire you because you don't use llms then there are labour laws that can protect you (at least in the civilized countries).

      Even if you are forced to use llms, you can do it in more productive ways. Use it to save work if you can, and use the spare time to join/form a union, raise awareness with your peers on how this is damaging to their careers, do something that actually has a chance of changing things.

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      • alexmu@social.vivaldi.netA alexmu@social.vivaldi.net

        @dalias @fesshole is it really mandatory? Have you taken it up with the employer? How do your workmates feel about it? Have you talked to them? If the employer is threatening to fire you because you don't use llms then there are labour laws that can protect you (at least in the civilized countries).

        Even if you are forced to use llms, you can do it in more productive ways. Use it to save work if you can, and use the spare time to join/form a union, raise awareness with your peers on how this is damaging to their careers, do something that actually has a chance of changing things.

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        @alexmu @fesshole Those are not more productive ways, they're more brain rotting ways. And even if they were productive, you have no moral duty to maximize productivity for your employer at the expense of your cognitive facilities.

        Yes, enployers are threatening to lay off employees based on low "AI" usage metrics. What rock have you been living under?

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        • fesshole@mastodon.socialF fesshole@mastodon.social

          Forced to use AI at work, hate it. Usage is monitored so I can't avoid it. I've set up mine to play a Sim City clone. It burns through tokens, making crap cities that quickly go bankrupt. Just been told that I'm getting a bonus for being a top user.

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          @fesshole

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          • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

            @alexmu @fesshole Those are not more productive ways, they're more brain rotting ways. And even if they were productive, you have no moral duty to maximize productivity for your employer at the expense of your cognitive facilities.

            Yes, enployers are threatening to lay off employees based on low "AI" usage metrics. What rock have you been living under?

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            @dalias @fesshole ok, carry on doing your thing then.

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            • weizenspreu@chaos.socialW weizenspreu@chaos.social

              @dalias @alexmu @fesshole Calling it „probably made up“ because of your personal risk assessment strikes me as weird nevertheless.

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              @weizenspreu @dalias @alexmu @fesshole I think your being a bit dramatic. He said “probably “ , it was never presented to you as a fact. He didn’t say “he knew it was fake” or “anyone can tell it’s not real” he just said there was a higher chance it was fake and a reason why he thought that.

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              • knowprose@mastodon.socialK knowprose@mastodon.social

                @funnymonkey @dalias @alexmu @fesshole I love it.

                It does what satire should do. Punch up.

                The trouble is now telling satire from reality.

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                @knowprose

                Satire in 2026 is a very tough gig. It reminds me of the person that set up a fake ICE tip line, and his most brutal satire is when he just repeats what the callers said to him.

                @dalias @alexmu @fesshole

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                  @j0ebaldw1n @mirabilos @fesshole

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                  • edbruce@infosec.exchangeE edbruce@infosec.exchange

                    @j0ebaldw1n @mirabilos @fesshole

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                    @EdBruce @j0ebaldw1n @fesshole no pity. I did lose my job due to it.

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                    • fesshole@mastodon.socialF fesshole@mastodon.social

                      Forced to use AI at work, hate it. Usage is monitored so I can't avoid it. I've set up mine to play a Sim City clone. It burns through tokens, making crap cities that quickly go bankrupt. Just been told that I'm getting a bonus for being a top user.

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                      @fesshole So…. “Usage” is monitored, but the loophole is “what you use it on is not” 😹
                      At least you found a hack to “not really use it” 😹 kudos to you 😹

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                      • funnymonkey@freeradical.zoneF funnymonkey@freeradical.zone

                        @dalias

                        This.

                        It's SOOOOO easy to blame the people at the receiving end of broken systems of power and control.

                        When people refuse to acknowledge that there are many situations with no good options, and a small number of less bad options, we get destructive absolutism that hurts people.

                        See also: voting in the US

                        @alexmu @fesshole

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                        @funnymonkey @dalias @alexmu @fesshole It's not that it's easy. It's that it's the last line of defense crumbling. It's watching people we know are going to be hurt worse by bad decisions go ahead and make them for terrible reasons. It's knowing that there's now that much more pressure on you to do the same and there's that much less effect your own sacrifice, which now costs more, is going to make.

                        Whatever though. We all have our choices to make.

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                        • crazyeddie@mastodon.socialC crazyeddie@mastodon.social

                          @funnymonkey @dalias @alexmu @fesshole It's not that it's easy. It's that it's the last line of defense crumbling. It's watching people we know are going to be hurt worse by bad decisions go ahead and make them for terrible reasons. It's knowing that there's now that much more pressure on you to do the same and there's that much less effect your own sacrifice, which now costs more, is going to make.

                          Whatever though. We all have our choices to make.

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                          @funnymonkey @dalias @alexmu @fesshole The other thing: if you don't keep hoping and talking people into doing the right thing you'll stop holding those ideals up yourself. You'll cave. You'll start eating the same excuse. It tastes very good...but that's the taste of slavery.

                          It is what it is.

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                          • fesshole@mastodon.socialF fesshole@mastodon.social

                            Forced to use AI at work, hate it. Usage is monitored so I can't avoid it. I've set up mine to play a Sim City clone. It burns through tokens, making crap cities that quickly go bankrupt. Just been told that I'm getting a bonus for being a top user.

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                            @fesshole ours did too. I just messed with it a little with pictures, then figured out it could do a better job of putting a PDF into Excel, than the native apps in Adobe or Excel, so once a month use it for that. My boss uses it to turn messages into AI speak, and uses Chat GPT at home, oof. I can't even say it is increasing productivity, all it's doing is making up for even more useless programs and a vendor with insufficient reporting. It's not perfect even at that one task.

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                            • fesshole@mastodon.socialF fesshole@mastodon.social

                              Forced to use AI at work, hate it. Usage is monitored so I can't avoid it. I've set up mine to play a Sim City clone. It burns through tokens, making crap cities that quickly go bankrupt. Just been told that I'm getting a bonus for being a top user.

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                              @fesshole

                              How can you restrain yourself to such innocent application?

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                              • unruly@mastodon.socialU unruly@mastodon.social

                                @fesshole

                                Raises the question. Is there any good way to use AI? Is there a way to invert it and turn it on itself, to use AI to destroy AI, to sabotage any ill it is designed to inflict, to undo or replace its propaganda effect, to use it to release the Epstein files?

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                                RE: https://mastodon.social/@campuscodi/116154291574332497

                                @unruly @fesshole

                                I think it is already happening.

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                                • crazyeddie@mastodon.socialC crazyeddie@mastodon.social

                                  @funnymonkey @dalias @alexmu @fesshole The other thing: if you don't keep hoping and talking people into doing the right thing you'll stop holding those ideals up yourself. You'll cave. You'll start eating the same excuse. It tastes very good...but that's the taste of slavery.

                                  It is what it is.

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                                  @crazyeddie

                                  IMO in situations where there are no good choices, and a range of bad options w/some being less bad than others, the true danger is lying to yourself about context, aka reality.

                                  I don't believe it ever feels good to choose the lesser of multiple evils, IF we acknowledge that is what we are doing.

                                  If we lie to ourselves, then yes - the risks you lay out become closer. But if we acknowledge that sometimes resistance requires survival, and we don't forget? Then we have a chance.

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                                  • fesshole@mastodon.socialF fesshole@mastodon.social

                                    Forced to use AI at work, hate it. Usage is monitored so I can't avoid it. I've set up mine to play a Sim City clone. It burns through tokens, making crap cities that quickly go bankrupt. Just been told that I'm getting a bonus for being a top user.

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                                    @fesshole You could always have the AI make pop songs about how you hate AI.

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                                    • funnymonkey@freeradical.zoneF funnymonkey@freeradical.zone

                                      @crazyeddie

                                      IMO in situations where there are no good choices, and a range of bad options w/some being less bad than others, the true danger is lying to yourself about context, aka reality.

                                      I don't believe it ever feels good to choose the lesser of multiple evils, IF we acknowledge that is what we are doing.

                                      If we lie to ourselves, then yes - the risks you lay out become closer. But if we acknowledge that sometimes resistance requires survival, and we don't forget? Then we have a chance.

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                                      @crazyeddie
                                      And yeah - none of this is easy.

                                      And also yes - we all need to define our red lines pro actively if possible, so we recognize them when we see them.

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                                      • funnymonkey@freeradical.zoneF funnymonkey@freeradical.zone

                                        @crazyeddie

                                        IMO in situations where there are no good choices, and a range of bad options w/some being less bad than others, the true danger is lying to yourself about context, aka reality.

                                        I don't believe it ever feels good to choose the lesser of multiple evils, IF we acknowledge that is what we are doing.

                                        If we lie to ourselves, then yes - the risks you lay out become closer. But if we acknowledge that sometimes resistance requires survival, and we don't forget? Then we have a chance.

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                                        @funnymonkey And the reality here is that the reason we all decide to work for some asshole that expects shit like this is that some other douchebag will take that position and your sacrifice here actually will NOT result in the employer having nobody to hire and having to sit and negotiate or there being other jobs available from employers that can compete because the people who work there are respected.

                                        When talking about labor and not IT there's a word for those of us that make that choice.

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                                        • crazyeddie@mastodon.socialC crazyeddie@mastodon.social

                                          @funnymonkey And the reality here is that the reason we all decide to work for some asshole that expects shit like this is that some other douchebag will take that position and your sacrifice here actually will NOT result in the employer having nobody to hire and having to sit and negotiate or there being other jobs available from employers that can compete because the people who work there are respected.

                                          When talking about labor and not IT there's a word for those of us that make that choice.

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                                          @funnymonkey I'm not actually saying people who use AI at work are scabs. If this is the reason why it's OK for you though then that choice is in the same spirit.

                                          I don't use AI at work but I do support activities that do. Right now I'm doing it because it is helping people in need. So long as I continue to think that I may continue doing this. I've begun to debate it.

                                          It also is admittedly the easy way forward.

                                          I do NOT want to be a scab. If that's the last reason left ...

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