I keep seeing articles like this, about how people choosing to drink less is hurting bars and restaurants, and it's almost always framed as people, especially younger generations, don't like to drink.
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@MLE_online Agreed. I think the ultra expensive restaurant needs to go by the wayside in favor of something more reasonable. Half the time, I felt like some restaurants I worked in had high prices for people who wanted to go to places that others couldn't afford to go.
I'd like to see fewer chains, more local small businesses, that sort of thing. Bar & Grill places can be fun. Places that do one thing well, like BBQ or fried chicken, or breakfast.
@kimlockhartga maybe restaurants should be more community oriented. A place where everyone knows the owner and staff and everyone knows each other. More like neighborhood establishments and less profit-making outposts
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I keep seeing articles like this, about how people choosing to drink less is hurting bars and restaurants, and it's almost always framed as people, especially younger generations, don't like to drink.
They never seem to bring up the fact that a cocktail is like $20 now unless you go to a really divey dive bar. It's the same kind of reporting they on how no one goes to the movies anymore. It's always about changing habits, and never that movie tickets just cost a lot now.
@MLE_online Also that massive study that said all the moderation wisdom was wrong. Zero was the answer
https://www.who.int/europe/news/item/04-01-2023-no-level-of-alcohol-consumption-is-safe-for-our-health -
@MLE_online @gneilyo I read that in Dallas rent includes some percentage of the restaurants take. That is completely insane to me. Like why should the rent increase because you're more successful? Restaurants should put that breakdown on the bill.
@Affekt @MLE_online That’s wild. And probably more prevalent than I realize
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@kimlockhartga maybe restaurants should be more community oriented. A place where everyone knows the owner and staff and everyone knows each other. More like neighborhood establishments and less profit-making outposts
@MLE_online That sounds fantastic.
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I keep seeing articles like this, about how people choosing to drink less is hurting bars and restaurants, and it's almost always framed as people, especially younger generations, don't like to drink.
They never seem to bring up the fact that a cocktail is like $20 now unless you go to a really divey dive bar. It's the same kind of reporting they on how no one goes to the movies anymore. It's always about changing habits, and never that movie tickets just cost a lot now.
@MLE_online "Nobody's drinking, so we've gotta make drinks more expensive" — how's *that* working out?
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I keep seeing articles like this, about how people choosing to drink less is hurting bars and restaurants, and it's almost always framed as people, especially younger generations, don't like to drink.
They never seem to bring up the fact that a cocktail is like $20 now unless you go to a really divey dive bar. It's the same kind of reporting they on how no one goes to the movies anymore. It's always about changing habits, and never that movie tickets just cost a lot now.
@MLE_online Well you see, these people are inconveniencing BUSINESS. We can't have that. It's never capitalism's fault that it doesn't work. It's always whoever is weakest in the system.
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There are limits, and if I can buy two bottles of vodka from the grocery store for the price of a single cocktail, I'm going to opt to not have that cocktail most of the time
@MLE_online at some point I realized it was cheaper for me to buy ingredients at Aldi and teach myself how to cook my favorite dishes than it is to go out to eat at a restaurant - same energy.
It’s always been cheaper, I know that, but it’s rarely worth it at this point, at least for the whole family. 70 bucks to take everyone to McDonald’s!??!
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@MLE_online at some point I realized it was cheaper for me to buy ingredients at Aldi and teach myself how to cook my favorite dishes than it is to go out to eat at a restaurant - same energy.
It’s always been cheaper, I know that, but it’s rarely worth it at this point, at least for the whole family. 70 bucks to take everyone to McDonald’s!??!
@crazybutable yeah it's nuts. I haven't had McDonald's in a couple years now
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I keep seeing articles like this, about how people choosing to drink less is hurting bars and restaurants, and it's almost always framed as people, especially younger generations, don't like to drink.
They never seem to bring up the fact that a cocktail is like $20 now unless you go to a really divey dive bar. It's the same kind of reporting they on how no one goes to the movies anymore. It's always about changing habits, and never that movie tickets just cost a lot now.
@MLE_online met an old friend for dinner the other night. I haven't been a regular drinker in years, but I thought why not, I'll have a margarita.
It was $13! I didn't get the tiny one in the shot glass, but still: $13 is insane. I know we have inflation but pre-covid the cost was closer to $8. Even with inflation that should be just over $10. The drink cost as much as my actual meal.
Restaurants have no one to blame but themselves for failing to recruit the next generation of alcoholics.
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@crazybutable yeah it's nuts. I haven't had McDonald's in a couple years now
@MLE_online the sausage and cheese McMuffin is the only deal remaining (at least here in Minneapolis) at 2.49, buy one get one for a dollar. So nearly 4 bucks after taxes. Filling and tasty. Nothing is worth it after breakfast is over though.
Wendy’s has the sausage breakfast burrito, which is 2012 levels of huge for only 4.99. And the Dave’s double, just the burger for 6 and change.
Burger King is either one whopper (6 and a bit) or two whopper jrs (5.00).
Taco Bell can go fuck themselves
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@crazybutable yeah it's nuts. I haven't had McDonald's in a couple years now
@MLE_online The actual taco truck by my work is amazing, but 3.75 for one taco. So I get three and cry, and I don’t know if I am crying from how good it is, the price (remember when these were a dollar each?), or how spicy the salsa is
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I keep seeing articles like this, about how people choosing to drink less is hurting bars and restaurants, and it's almost always framed as people, especially younger generations, don't like to drink.
They never seem to bring up the fact that a cocktail is like $20 now unless you go to a really divey dive bar. It's the same kind of reporting they on how no one goes to the movies anymore. It's always about changing habits, and never that movie tickets just cost a lot now.
A whole generation becoming straight edge solely because booze and drugs are utterly unaffordable, what a recession indicator is that -
@MLE_online The actual taco truck by my work is amazing, but 3.75 for one taco. So I get three and cry, and I don’t know if I am crying from how good it is, the price (remember when these were a dollar each?), or how spicy the salsa is
@crazybutable that is way too much for one taco, especially from a taco truck. yeesh
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There's a burrito place near me that I really like, that I've been eating at for years. I used to go once a week or so, but since the pandemic, the price of a burrito went from $5 to $11, and that's just too much! I eat there once every few months now. It doesn't mean I don't like burritos though.
"Alcohol is a poison. It's good that alcohol is too expensive now."
Shut up and go away
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"Alcohol is a poison. It's good that alcohol is too expensive now."
Shut up and go away
@MLE_online life is a poison and the alcohol dulls the pain.
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@MLE_online life is a poison and the alcohol dulls the pain.
@kwf you're very wise as usual, kenneth
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@kwf you're very wise as usual, kenneth
@MLE_online I'm a poison and the wisdom dulls the pain.
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"Alcohol is a poison. It's good that alcohol is too expensive now."
Shut up and go away
@MLE_online I *almost* feel that way about cigarettes (I smoked for 20 years). I still get the craving and urge for one now and again, but at $15+ a pack, I’m too cheap to buy one (not to mention it would start me back smoking again)
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@disorderlyf If they're not putting alcohol in their drinks, they should be much, much cheaper, but those mocktails are expensive as hell, too. They just charge way too much for all of it
@MLE_online @disorderlyf They’re not increasing prices just for the hell of it. Most places run with such thin margins that they’re trying to increase just enough to survive without running customers off to a bar that’s a dollar cheaper.
Mocktails cost nearly the same as alcoholic beverages because the alcohol is nearly negligible to the business’s overall cost of the beverage. Their rent doesn’t care if a drink has alcohol or not. Their bartender and door person and cleaning crew and manager and utilities and rent all have to get paid, and each seat has to contribute towards paying the bills. Cutting a dollar of two of alcohol results in a dollar or two of price difference because that’s their cost of doing business.
Bars and restaurants are struggling with the cost of living just like the rest of us. It hits them even harder because, as you point out, when times get tough it’s a lot cheaper to stay home with a bottle.
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I keep seeing articles like this, about how people choosing to drink less is hurting bars and restaurants, and it's almost always framed as people, especially younger generations, don't like to drink.
They never seem to bring up the fact that a cocktail is like $20 now unless you go to a really divey dive bar. It's the same kind of reporting they on how no one goes to the movies anymore. It's always about changing habits, and never that movie tickets just cost a lot now.
@MLE_online It kind of amazes me that the pandemic DIDN'T spawn a burst of alcoholism. People stuck alone at home for months and months? With (at least in the case of the USA) an incredibly stupid government making idiotic choices?
But if you make a habit too expensive, people will do something else instead.
