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  • aimeemaroux@mastodon.socialA aimeemaroux@mastodon.social

    @llorenzin They cut off the lowest rungs for so many career paths, not just programming. I see it in writing as well. πŸ˜”

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    #59

    @AimeeMaroux @llorenzin I can’t see how this ends well. Eventually you need to bring people up in the system. How do you get senior devs without juniors. You just end up with a gaping hole in the talent pool.

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    • llorenzin@infosec.exchangeL llorenzin@infosec.exchange

      This is *brutal*...

      "There are no more juniors. There was a funeral for their passing in 2024. Nobody came. The machine does what they do now, but cheaper. Of course, juniors weren't valuable for what they produced, they were valuable for who they would become: the senior engineer who knows where the bodies are buried. We optimized for output, and abolished apprenticeship. A few years from now, we'll wonder where all the seniors are. We shot them. Nobody will remember."

      Programming Still Sucks. β€” Writing

      Sorry Peter. β€” I'm at a birthday party, and while most people here also work in tech, there's always a Guy with a Real Job. You know, a physical job, building some or other thing people need. And this Guy always asks some variant of the same question: aren't you worried AI is taking your job? I glance around and see a few faces turning around toward us, rolling their eyes ever so slightly before returning to their previous conversation. Yes, this question again.

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      #60

      @llorenzin

      Probably the best #antiai essay I have read.

      No stupid "Ai always hallucinates"
      No stupid "No Ai use case"
      No stupid "Six fingers"

      Just the facts.
      Damage is done.
      Most folks, even the #AiSlop forest folk dancing around bonfires, waiting for the #AiBubble that never comes, instead of concrete action.

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      • drwho@masto.hackers.townD drwho@masto.hackers.town

        @llorenzin @wordshaper I can confirm all of these things.

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        #61

        @llorenzin @wordshaper let's note the author's words,

        "AI didn't take our jobs. Greed did."

        Cc @drwho

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        • llorenzin@infosec.exchangeL llorenzin@infosec.exchange

          This is *brutal*...

          "There are no more juniors. There was a funeral for their passing in 2024. Nobody came. The machine does what they do now, but cheaper. Of course, juniors weren't valuable for what they produced, they were valuable for who they would become: the senior engineer who knows where the bodies are buried. We optimized for output, and abolished apprenticeship. A few years from now, we'll wonder where all the seniors are. We shot them. Nobody will remember."

          Programming Still Sucks. β€” Writing

          Sorry Peter. β€” I'm at a birthday party, and while most people here also work in tech, there's always a Guy with a Real Job. You know, a physical job, building some or other thing people need. And this Guy always asks some variant of the same question: aren't you worried AI is taking your job? I glance around and see a few faces turning around toward us, rolling their eyes ever so slightly before returning to their previous conversation. Yes, this question again.

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          @llorenzin "You knew. And you signed off anyway. Because the alternative was losing the job, and the job was the mortgage, and the school fees, and the visa, and the version of yourself who'd fix it later once things stabilized."

          If you had stood up and said no the first time it would have been a much easier fight that the one you have now.

          An unwillingness to speak truth to power is at the core of the failings of our society.

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          • llorenzin@infosec.exchangeL llorenzin@infosec.exchange

            This is *brutal*...

            "There are no more juniors. There was a funeral for their passing in 2024. Nobody came. The machine does what they do now, but cheaper. Of course, juniors weren't valuable for what they produced, they were valuable for who they would become: the senior engineer who knows where the bodies are buried. We optimized for output, and abolished apprenticeship. A few years from now, we'll wonder where all the seniors are. We shot them. Nobody will remember."

            Programming Still Sucks. β€” Writing

            Sorry Peter. β€” I'm at a birthday party, and while most people here also work in tech, there's always a Guy with a Real Job. You know, a physical job, building some or other thing people need. And this Guy always asks some variant of the same question: aren't you worried AI is taking your job? I glance around and see a few faces turning around toward us, rolling their eyes ever so slightly before returning to their previous conversation. Yes, this question again.

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            @llorenzin

            By the way, if anyone wonders about the title of this blog post "Programming still sucks" (and the "sorry peter" at the beginning), its like a continuation, or maybe a response from an old article, called "Programming Sucks" by Peter Welch.

            Which is also nice read, albeit less pessimistic than this one IMO. The current one sounds more like a eulogy for programming as craft and as an art form (hopefully it does not come true).

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            • llorenzin@infosec.exchangeL llorenzin@infosec.exchange

              This is *brutal*...

              "There are no more juniors. There was a funeral for their passing in 2024. Nobody came. The machine does what they do now, but cheaper. Of course, juniors weren't valuable for what they produced, they were valuable for who they would become: the senior engineer who knows where the bodies are buried. We optimized for output, and abolished apprenticeship. A few years from now, we'll wonder where all the seniors are. We shot them. Nobody will remember."

              Programming Still Sucks. β€” Writing

              Sorry Peter. β€” I'm at a birthday party, and while most people here also work in tech, there's always a Guy with a Real Job. You know, a physical job, building some or other thing people need. And this Guy always asks some variant of the same question: aren't you worried AI is taking your job? I glance around and see a few faces turning around toward us, rolling their eyes ever so slightly before returning to their previous conversation. Yes, this question again.

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              @llorenzin This is the best possible error message to get when trying to read this story

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              • llorenzin@infosec.exchangeL llorenzin@infosec.exchange

                This is *brutal*...

                "There are no more juniors. There was a funeral for their passing in 2024. Nobody came. The machine does what they do now, but cheaper. Of course, juniors weren't valuable for what they produced, they were valuable for who they would become: the senior engineer who knows where the bodies are buried. We optimized for output, and abolished apprenticeship. A few years from now, we'll wonder where all the seniors are. We shot them. Nobody will remember."

                Programming Still Sucks. β€” Writing

                Sorry Peter. β€” I'm at a birthday party, and while most people here also work in tech, there's always a Guy with a Real Job. You know, a physical job, building some or other thing people need. And this Guy always asks some variant of the same question: aren't you worried AI is taking your job? I glance around and see a few faces turning around toward us, rolling their eyes ever so slightly before returning to their previous conversation. Yes, this question again.

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                @llorenzin @solsetur I like boreal forests. Why? Because they have this neat trick. Every so often when things get out of hand, there is a massive forest fire. And it does something amazing. It cycles the nutrients, triggers the seeds and starts the process all over again. It rejuvenates the forest. Now, why I am talking about boreal forests? Because I hope to god that humans have a similar trick up their sleeve, because things are way out of hand and I have no idea where we go from here.

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                • llorenzin@infosec.exchangeL llorenzin@infosec.exchange

                  This is *brutal*...

                  "There are no more juniors. There was a funeral for their passing in 2024. Nobody came. The machine does what they do now, but cheaper. Of course, juniors weren't valuable for what they produced, they were valuable for who they would become: the senior engineer who knows where the bodies are buried. We optimized for output, and abolished apprenticeship. A few years from now, we'll wonder where all the seniors are. We shot them. Nobody will remember."

                  Programming Still Sucks. β€” Writing

                  Sorry Peter. β€” I'm at a birthday party, and while most people here also work in tech, there's always a Guy with a Real Job. You know, a physical job, building some or other thing people need. And this Guy always asks some variant of the same question: aren't you worried AI is taking your job? I glance around and see a few faces turning around toward us, rolling their eyes ever so slightly before returning to their previous conversation. Yes, this question again.

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                  @llorenzin This is so on the money.

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                  • llorenzin@infosec.exchangeL llorenzin@infosec.exchange

                    @IAmDannyBoling same. Sooooo very grateful I got out of tech just before the AI craze really started eating people's brains.

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                    @llorenzin @IAmDannyBoling Congrats. It's pretty awful.

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                    • llorenzin@infosec.exchangeL llorenzin@infosec.exchange

                      This is *brutal*...

                      "There are no more juniors. There was a funeral for their passing in 2024. Nobody came. The machine does what they do now, but cheaper. Of course, juniors weren't valuable for what they produced, they were valuable for who they would become: the senior engineer who knows where the bodies are buried. We optimized for output, and abolished apprenticeship. A few years from now, we'll wonder where all the seniors are. We shot them. Nobody will remember."

                      Programming Still Sucks. β€” Writing

                      Sorry Peter. β€” I'm at a birthday party, and while most people here also work in tech, there's always a Guy with a Real Job. You know, a physical job, building some or other thing people need. And this Guy always asks some variant of the same question: aren't you worried AI is taking your job? I glance around and see a few faces turning around toward us, rolling their eyes ever so slightly before returning to their previous conversation. Yes, this question again.

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                      @llorenzin I have a job where AI isn't likely to impact me anytime soon. But I have seen the same problem, albeit over a longer time-span.

                      What I've seen is a company who underbids contracts in order to win business. Then cuts staffing (or never hires) to meet the bogus cost targets. What this means is that we no longer have lead engineers. We no longer have someone responsible for training the juniors.

                      I've been pitching the idea that, when I retire, all my skills will go with me.

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                      • llorenzin@infosec.exchangeL llorenzin@infosec.exchange

                        This is *brutal*...

                        "There are no more juniors. There was a funeral for their passing in 2024. Nobody came. The machine does what they do now, but cheaper. Of course, juniors weren't valuable for what they produced, they were valuable for who they would become: the senior engineer who knows where the bodies are buried. We optimized for output, and abolished apprenticeship. A few years from now, we'll wonder where all the seniors are. We shot them. Nobody will remember."

                        Programming Still Sucks. β€” Writing

                        Sorry Peter. β€” I'm at a birthday party, and while most people here also work in tech, there's always a Guy with a Real Job. You know, a physical job, building some or other thing people need. And this Guy always asks some variant of the same question: aren't you worried AI is taking your job? I glance around and see a few faces turning around toward us, rolling their eyes ever so slightly before returning to their previous conversation. Yes, this question again.

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                        @llorenzin

                        This will self-correct over time, because halting forward progress isn't really an option, and some of us will always want to know how things work and learn. That's not to say it won't be painful and lots of folks will have a really bad time before they learn a lesson. But there's a lot of businesses that are going to make a cautionary tale out of themselves.

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