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I saw a comment the other day about how renewables and EVs are only viable cos of subsidies.

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  • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

    I saw a comment the other day about how renewables and EVs are only viable cos of subsidies. I wish it was better known by the general population just how much governments subsidise the fossil fuels industry. In .NL it's something like €40bn a year. Now imagine if we spent that on district heating, and public transport, and heat pumps? And actually built the offshore wind farms that noone tendered for.

    This all seems so fucking obvious.

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    @quixoticgeek And the timber indistry ad well.

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    • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

      @mkoek that assumes you can put solar panels up where you live and run a cable to your car. I live 8 floors up. I can't run a cable to a car from there.

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      @quixoticgeek I agree that that would be a challenge 🙂

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      • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

        @disorderlyf @mkoek still wouldn't be able to charge cars directly off it. The only way would be for the landlord to sell the power to the grid and give some of the money to us. Which is unlikely.

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        @quixoticgeek @disorderlyf Such systems exist. Each tenant is assigned a couple of panels on the building’s roof and the power is fed to their apartment, which can sell any excess power onto the grid. Landlord charges some cost. I have a colleague who has that.

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        • mkoek@mastodon.nlM mkoek@mastodon.nl

          @quixoticgeek @disorderlyf Such systems exist. Each tenant is assigned a couple of panels on the building’s roof and the power is fed to their apartment, which can sell any excess power onto the grid. Landlord charges some cost. I have a colleague who has that.

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          @mkoek @quixoticgeek I was unaware there were already apartment buildings which already implemented solar panels and charging stations reserved for tenants. I desperately hope more buildings than your colleague's implement this, because the only people I see losing from this are C-suite executives of Exxon-Mobile or BP.

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          • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

            I saw a comment the other day about how renewables and EVs are only viable cos of subsidies. I wish it was better known by the general population just how much governments subsidise the fossil fuels industry. In .NL it's something like €40bn a year. Now imagine if we spent that on district heating, and public transport, and heat pumps? And actually built the offshore wind farms that noone tendered for.

            This all seems so fucking obvious.

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            @quixoticgeek

            This is one of several schools who built their own solar roof systems, and are hiring extra teachers wirh savings.

            BYD automakers are giving away 18 months of charging, emphasising wild gas prices in these times of oil wars.

            Uruguay has jump started its oil depressed economy by becoming 99% New Energy.

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            Solar panels at 15 West Virginia schools could save up to $200k a year, cutting costs and emissions while funding classrooms.

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              @quixoticgeek

              This is one of several schools who built their own solar roof systems, and are hiring extra teachers wirh savings.

              BYD automakers are giving away 18 months of charging, emphasising wild gas prices in these times of oil wars.

              Uruguay has jump started its oil depressed economy by becoming 99% New Energy.

              Link Preview Image
              These schools went solar – and the savings will pay for teachers

              Solar panels at 15 West Virginia schools could save up to $200k a year, cutting costs and emissions while funding classrooms.

              favicon

              Electrek (electrek.co)

              #climate

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              @kevinrns Here in the Netherlands schools are funded properly...

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              • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

                I saw a comment the other day about how renewables and EVs are only viable cos of subsidies. I wish it was better known by the general population just how much governments subsidise the fossil fuels industry. In .NL it's something like €40bn a year. Now imagine if we spent that on district heating, and public transport, and heat pumps? And actually built the offshore wind farms that noone tendered for.

                This all seems so fucking obvious.

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                @quixoticgeek

                It's obvious that your ideas do not make billionaires richer, and that, my friend, is the most important thing in the world. Apparently.

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                • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

                  I saw a comment the other day about how renewables and EVs are only viable cos of subsidies. I wish it was better known by the general population just how much governments subsidise the fossil fuels industry. In .NL it's something like €40bn a year. Now imagine if we spent that on district heating, and public transport, and heat pumps? And actually built the offshore wind farms that noone tendered for.

                  This all seems so fucking obvious.

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                  @quixoticgeek

                  When I hear people say this, I always say, "Yes! We should remove subsidies from all forms of energy! I'm so glad that you are going on the public record as being against the subisies for fossil fuels!" 😄

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                  • disorderlyf@todon.euD disorderlyf@todon.eu

                    @mkoek @quixoticgeek I was unaware there were already apartment buildings which already implemented solar panels and charging stations reserved for tenants. I desperately hope more buildings than your colleague's implement this, because the only people I see losing from this are C-suite executives of Exxon-Mobile or BP.

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                    @disorderlyf @quixoticgeek The challenge now is that there is so much solar in the Netherlands, electricity is mostly free when it’s really sunny so yield is decreasing a lot. Smart devices will help, using power at those times even when you’re away.

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                    • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

                      I saw a comment the other day about how renewables and EVs are only viable cos of subsidies. I wish it was better known by the general population just how much governments subsidise the fossil fuels industry. In .NL it's something like €40bn a year. Now imagine if we spent that on district heating, and public transport, and heat pumps? And actually built the offshore wind farms that noone tendered for.

                      This all seems so fucking obvious.

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                      @quixoticgeek €40 biljon a year allows for quite some lobby apparatus in #TheHague and Brussels. Plus rich rewards for public servants to join the corrupt #fossilindustry after their stint in public office. And don't underestimate the determination in defending the wealth biljonairs enjoy, it is their God given right to rule

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