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  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

    @ReggieHere @vfrmedia @metaphil @fj

    "the same dark forces that campaigned for Brexit in the initial referendum haven't gone away"

    and how do we fix it?

    this plutocrat-bigot political axis

    i'm not asking like i know the answer. it's a huge problem

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    @benroyce @ReggieHere @vfrmedia @metaphil @fj

    Me neither but this map of it has stayed with me https://mastodon.social/@urlyman/114437610906205685

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    • urlyman@mastodon.socialU urlyman@mastodon.social

      @benroyce @ReggieHere @vfrmedia @metaphil @fj

      Me neither but this map of it has stayed with me https://mastodon.social/@urlyman/114437610906205685

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      @urlyman @ReggieHere @vfrmedia @metaphil @fj

      oof

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      • kallekn@mastodonsweden.seK kallekn@mastodonsweden.se

        @aliide @fj Maybe @jon knows more about this, as he has visited the square and tested the swing, seemingly with no serious injuries?

        https://youtu.be/96Z4AKu0WYM?si=Hlxjukv_EWSYg0Yj

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        @kallekn @aliide @fj it’s a big swing. But you sit not stand on it. I
        Imagine it’s quite safe!

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        • benaveling@mastodon.ieB benaveling@mastodon.ie

          But what if you damage yourself and are bleeding out while lying on top of the border, rather that cleanly on one side or the other?
          @NatureMC @beach @fj

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          @BenAveling Oh, this typical nitpicking of Mastodon! 🙄

          Listen, if you find a person bleeding so much, call the urgency number (there are even international ones). An ambulance crew will arrive immediately, organised by the emergency services control centre (working across the border in such regions), and take the person to the nearest hospital (regardless of the country).
          And if you have a problem that nationality doesn't play a role while saving people, just don't leave your bed.

          @beach @fj

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          • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

            @ReggieHere @vfrmedia @metaphil @fj

            "the same dark forces that campaigned for Brexit in the initial referendum haven't gone away"

            and how do we fix it?

            this plutocrat-bigot political axis

            i'm not asking like i know the answer. it's a huge problem

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            @benroyce

            As bad as the US looks at the moment, there has always been an influential group of mostly privileged people in the UK who wish that Britain would adopt a similar approach to America's far-right.

            ....worth remembering here that there were significant factions in both the US and the UK that supported Fascist Germany in the 1930s.

            @vfrmedia @metaphil @fj

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            • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

              💗 Schengen

              “Have you ever wanted to fly across a border more than 40 times in one minute? No? As of last month, you can do it anyway: By hopping on a swing in the towns of Baarle-Hertog-Nassau, you can fly from the Netherlands into Belgium and back.”

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              @fj

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              • reggiehere@mastodon.socialR reggiehere@mastodon.social

                @benroyce

                As bad as the US looks at the moment, there has always been an influential group of mostly privileged people in the UK who wish that Britain would adopt a similar approach to America's far-right.

                ....worth remembering here that there were significant factions in both the US and the UK that supported Fascist Germany in the 1930s.

                @vfrmedia @metaphil @fj

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                @ReggieHere @vfrmedia @metaphil @fj

                germany's (self made) wounds were so huge they had a culture shift

                but usa and uk, where the same nascent fascism as germany also was, never had such a reckoning

                for a long time the generations that saw the war recognized it and kept it in check

                but those generations died off

                and so it was just a matter of time before they hit upon a strategy that allowed them to come to the fore on minds that did not learn from history and do not understand the threat

                😩

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                • cannaparts@nrw.socialC cannaparts@nrw.social

                  @stf

                  Belgium has plenty crazy "borders" in the east, too - exclaves and enclaves with Germany - 1st & 2nd WorldWar related...

                  On the pic you can run/walk Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands also within a second.

                  It's a nice place to visit and btw. the highest point of continental Netherland (322m above sea level) - 30km south is Belgiums highest point with 694m

                  @fj

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                  @CannaParts @stf @fj My kids did this! We were there three years ago. https://ohpiglet.github.io/ohpiglet/2023/05/10/multiple-quick-visits-to-the-netherlands-germany-and-belgium/

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                  • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                    💗 Schengen

                    “Have you ever wanted to fly across a border more than 40 times in one minute? No? As of last month, you can do it anyway: By hopping on a swing in the towns of Baarle-Hertog-Nassau, you can fly from the Netherlands into Belgium and back.”

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                    @fj Schengen is great. I crossed the Swiss–French border almost every day for 4 years. Not sure how many times I got stopped on the public border (we also had a private border crossing with a gate) but it was maybe once or twice a year.

                    My office was in Switzerland, but I usually ate lunch in our cafeteria just up the road in France. 😁

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                    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                      @ReggieHere @vfrmedia @metaphil @fj

                      germany's (self made) wounds were so huge they had a culture shift

                      but usa and uk, where the same nascent fascism as germany also was, never had such a reckoning

                      for a long time the generations that saw the war recognized it and kept it in check

                      but those generations died off

                      and so it was just a matter of time before they hit upon a strategy that allowed them to come to the fore on minds that did not learn from history and do not understand the threat

                      😩

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                      @benroyce

                      That's a net summary.

                      I think Germany's experience was an object lesson to fascist groups, but the vast number of battle hardened and military-trained service men returning from a war and wanting social reform was a factor too.

                      The post-WW2 consensus was built on an Establishment fear of old institutions being deposed in favour of new socialist states.

                      ....afterall, the economic reforms of the 1980s coincided with the collapse of the USSR.

                      @vfrmedia @metaphil @fj

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                      • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                        @metaphil @fj

                        like this:

                        in the beginning of 1963, the town of Elten was Dutch, but on August 1, it became German

                        Dutch and German traders moved their trucks into Elten with all sorts of cargo in late July that was usually subject to import tax (butter, coffee, etc)

                        so when the borders shifted Aug 1, there was no import tax, because the goods hadn't moved

                        the event became known as "Eltener Butternacht": Butter Night

                        it was so huge they had to do road repairs

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                        Eltener Butternacht maakte exporteurs rijk

                        Op 31 juli 1963, vandaag 47 jaar geleden gebeurde het: De Eltener Butternacht, een bijzondere anekdote in de Nederlands-Duitse geschiedenis.

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                        @benroyce @metaphil @fj

                        There was a porous border in WWII in Konstanz on the Swiss/German border. People were allowed to pass small packages from CH to DE like coffee, sugar & clothing in sight of boarder guards. I knew some Milwaukee German families who’d emigrated to the US in 1860s that sent packages there.
                        This probably happened in several places. Basel, CH is the juncture of CH, DE & FR.

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                        • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                          💗 Schengen

                          “Have you ever wanted to fly across a border more than 40 times in one minute? No? As of last month, you can do it anyway: By hopping on a swing in the towns of Baarle-Hertog-Nassau, you can fly from the Netherlands into Belgium and back.”

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                          @fj
                          Are there border controls?

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                          • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                            💗 Schengen

                            “Have you ever wanted to fly across a border more than 40 times in one minute? No? As of last month, you can do it anyway: By hopping on a swing in the towns of Baarle-Hertog-Nassau, you can fly from the Netherlands into Belgium and back.”

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                            @fj "Swing state"

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                            • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                              @vfrmedia @metaphil @fj

                              The US and the UK are alike in suffering vast consequences for this far right upwelling of stupidity. We both have a lot of fixing to do. I'm pretty sure the UK will slowly rejoin the EU piecemeal

                              Like this:

                              https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/17/uk/britain-erasmus-european-union-student-intl

                              All the ignorance and lies but what makes sense still and always will make sense and never goes away. Time and clearer minds will do their thing

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                              @benroyce @vfrmedia @metaphil @fj it is clear, since the government's loss, they have done everything in their power to make it fail and are slowly heading back to the EU arms open wide.

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                              • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                @kallekn @aliide @fj it’s a big swing. But you sit not stand on it. I
                                Imagine it’s quite safe!

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                                @jon @kallekn @fj

                                I suspect locals are more likely to stand — it is styled after a traditional swing

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                                • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                                  💗 Schengen

                                  “Have you ever wanted to fly across a border more than 40 times in one minute? No? As of last month, you can do it anyway: By hopping on a swing in the towns of Baarle-Hertog-Nassau, you can fly from the Netherlands into Belgium and back.”

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                                  Borders are a construct, but this swing isn't

                                  Have you ever wanted to fly across a border more than 40 times in one minute? No? As of last month, you can do it anyway: By hopping on a swing in the

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                                  @fj I love these symbols of unity and community. Makes me feel hope that someday we would have world peace.

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                                  • aliide@mstdn.socialA aliide@mstdn.social

                                    @jon @kallekn @fj

                                    I suspect locals are more likely to stand — it is styled after a traditional swing

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                                    @aliide @kallekn @fj ha. I was conservative 😀

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                                    • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                                      💗 Schengen

                                      “Have you ever wanted to fly across a border more than 40 times in one minute? No? As of last month, you can do it anyway: By hopping on a swing in the towns of Baarle-Hertog-Nassau, you can fly from the Netherlands into Belgium and back.”

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                                      Borders are a construct, but this swing isn't

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                                      @fj I do hope that anyone who uses the swing isn't going to need to mention every visit to a foreign country on something like the US immigration form.

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                                      • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                                        💗 Schengen

                                        “Have you ever wanted to fly across a border more than 40 times in one minute? No? As of last month, you can do it anyway: By hopping on a swing in the towns of Baarle-Hertog-Nassau, you can fly from the Netherlands into Belgium and back.”

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                                        Borders are a construct, but this swing isn't

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                                        @fj Imagine how it used to be!

                                        “Passport please”
                                        “Passport please”
                                        “Passport please”
                                        “Passport please”
                                        “Passport please”
                                        “Passport please”

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                                        • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                                          💗 Schengen

                                          “Have you ever wanted to fly across a border more than 40 times in one minute? No? As of last month, you can do it anyway: By hopping on a swing in the towns of Baarle-Hertog-Nassau, you can fly from the Netherlands into Belgium and back.”

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                                          Borders are a construct, but this swing isn't

                                          Have you ever wanted to fly across a border more than 40 times in one minute? No? As of last month, you can do it anyway: By hopping on a swing in the

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                                          The European Correspondent (europeancorrespondent.com)

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                                          @fj I love the title because the swing is definitely constructed

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