This post is awesome, and I predict aftermarket shops offering to remove car surveillance to spring up in the next few years.
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@funnymonkey I can understand the desire for privacy, but don't see what is being accomplished if you still take cellphone w you? And you can probably achieve 80%+ of this by just pulling a fuse or two, and/or disconnecting antennas, with lot less effort. Reminds me of people that put multiple locks on a door but never strengthen door and door frame or windows.
@CliffsEsport @funnymonkey To my knowledge, car manufacturers do not access cell phones on the regular.
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This post is awesome, and I predict aftermarket shops offering to remove car surveillance to spring up in the next few years.
It shouldn't be necessary, but it is.
Removing the Modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 Hybrid
Modern cars are computers on wheels that send home nonstop telemetry about you. In this post I remove my 2024 RAV4 Hybrid's modem and GPS to prevent that :)
(arkadiyt.com)
@funnymonkey Is be curious about similar things for Kias.
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@CliffsEsport @funnymonkey To my knowledge, car manufacturers do not access cell phones on the regular.
@starluna @funnymonkey my point is if your concerned about tracking and privacy the device that is with you 24/7 and can listen to you and watch w mic & camera plus tracks you with much higher precision should probably be primary concern vs something most are only in for minutes most days.
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@CliffsEsport @funnymonkey To my knowledge, car manufacturers do not access cell phones on the regular.
@starluna @funnymonkey and considering most people pair phones w cars not so sure about that ether, I have had work van that auto paired w strangers phone in middle of call.
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@CliffsEsport @funnymonkey To my knowledge, car manufacturers do not access cell phones on the regular.
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@starluna @funnymonkey and considering most people pair phones w cars not so sure about that ether, I have had work van that auto paired w strangers phone in middle of call.
@CliffsEsport @funnymonkey The people who are interested, potentially even engaging, in disabling all the surveillance parts in modern cars are also likely to be the same kinds of people who have taken steps to secure their phones as well.
It sounds to me like your work van's system settings need some attention if they're auto-pairing with other cars. I would definitely report that to your supervisors.
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This post is awesome, and I predict aftermarket shops offering to remove car surveillance to spring up in the next few years.
It shouldn't be necessary, but it is.
Removing the Modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 Hybrid
Modern cars are computers on wheels that send home nonstop telemetry about you. In this post I remove my 2024 RAV4 Hybrid's modem and GPS to prevent that :)
(arkadiyt.com)
@funnymonkey wonder if this would work in the EU where eCall is mandated by law, because I bet that malicious compliance from car companies means that the modem and emergency services communications hardware are probably one and the same...
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@CliffsEsport @funnymonkey The people who are interested, potentially even engaging, in disabling all the surveillance parts in modern cars are also likely to be the same kinds of people who have taken steps to secure their phones as well.
It sounds to me like your work van's system settings need some attention if they're auto-pairing with other cars. I would definitely report that to your supervisors.
@starluna @funnymonkey sigh, they could car less, and their really isn't anyway to avoid being tracked by cellphone. It has to know where you are to work there is the entire baseband side that you don't have access to. Cell towers are always keeping track of phones in their range, and that data is routinely gathered by various parties https://medium.com/@shamkarthik88/exploring-true-smartphone-privacy-the-hidden-baseband-and-the-limits-of-open-source-freedom-c41a9bffbb62
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@CliffsEsport @funnymonkey The people who are interested, potentially even engaging, in disabling all the surveillance parts in modern cars are also likely to be the same kinds of people who have taken steps to secure their phones as well.
It sounds to me like your work van's system settings need some attention if they're auto-pairing with other cars. I would definitely report that to your supervisors.
@starluna @funnymonkey I am just frustrated I know the first thing about physical security, cars, and cyber security. And just saying worrying about the car stuff is valid but WAY down the priority list. Most people get concerned or motivated by random trigger and don't learn the fundamentals of security or privacy. Though not perfect EFF is good place to start https://www.eff.org/effector/27/14
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@CliffsEsport @funnymonkey The people who are interested, potentially even engaging, in disabling all the surveillance parts in modern cars are also likely to be the same kinds of people who have taken steps to secure their phones as well.
It sounds to me like your work van's system settings need some attention if they're auto-pairing with other cars. I would definitely report that to your supervisors.
@starluna @funnymonkey Maybe better starting point on EFF you can click on Privacy tab/button at top and that will open entire probably overwhelming amount of info https://www.eff.org/work
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@funnymonkey great post, but lots of work and risk of f-ing up your car. So who's actually going to do it? Just like there should be an aftermarket for this sort of work, there should be a manufacturer, who offers no surveillance cars. Better yet government needs to pass laws with stiff penalties that mandate easy and thorough disabling of all spyware in cars and on phones. Fat chances of this happening in the US of A or in China!
@RulesBuster @funnymonkey You could just buy a used vehicle without all this stuff in it. Better for the environment too, rather than buying a newly manufactured/shipped vehicle.
If new vehicle sales suffer from people not buying them, manufacturers might reconsider the tracking.
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@starluna @funnymonkey my point is if your concerned about tracking and privacy the device that is with you 24/7 and can listen to you and watch w mic & camera plus tracks you with much higher precision should probably be primary concern vs something most are only in for minutes most days.
@CliffsEsport @starluna @funnymonkey Sealion alert.
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@starluna @funnymonkey my point is if your concerned about tracking and privacy the device that is with you 24/7 and can listen to you and watch w mic & camera plus tracks you with much higher precision should probably be primary concern vs something most are only in for minutes most days.
@CliffsEsport @starluna @funnymonkey It's not "all or nothing". Personally I have switched to GrapheneOS, almost done with de-Google. So eliminating this data leak is just part of an overall strategy.
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This post is awesome, and I predict aftermarket shops offering to remove car surveillance to spring up in the next few years.
It shouldn't be necessary, but it is.
Removing the Modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 Hybrid
Modern cars are computers on wheels that send home nonstop telemetry about you. In this post I remove my 2024 RAV4 Hybrid's modem and GPS to prevent that :)
(arkadiyt.com)
@funnymonkey 2023 Bolt E(U)V driver here- It's trivial to just put a dummy load on the LTE modem antenna port, everything (GPS nav) etc still works, spying buh-bye. Just google/ddg for detailed instructions.
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