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  • accordionbruce@mastodon.socialA accordionbruce@mastodon.social

    @catsalad
    Pirates never played accordions
    🏴‍☠️🚫🪗

    (Because they hadn’t been invented yet)

    Accordions were invented during the 1800s Industrial Revolution at the same time as the telegraph, steam engine and the typewriter

    100 years after the Golden Age of Piracy 1600s–1700s

    So every pirate movie with an accordionist is a science fiction movie with a time-travel sub plot 🚀⌛️

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    @AccordionBruce @catsalad On the other hand, a Samurai could have seen a fax image of one

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    • accordionbruce@mastodon.socialA accordionbruce@mastodon.social

      @catsalad
      Pirates never played accordions
      🏴‍☠️🚫🪗

      (Because they hadn’t been invented yet)

      Accordions were invented during the 1800s Industrial Revolution at the same time as the telegraph, steam engine and the typewriter

      100 years after the Golden Age of Piracy 1600s–1700s

      So every pirate movie with an accordionist is a science fiction movie with a time-travel sub plot 🚀⌛️

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      @AccordionBruce @catsalad The accordion displaced the bagpipes (in their many variants) across Europe, pushing them to the margins - mountain valleys (Appenines, Pyrenees) on the mainland or islands (Sardinia, Ireland. Scotland).

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        @Theosoreass @AccordionBruce @catsalad (black sails theme intensifies)

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          @Theosoreass @AccordionBruce @catsalad noone would believe that the hurdy gurdy was a real instrument 🤣

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          • boredomfestival@sfba.socialB boredomfestival@sfba.social

            @AccordionBruce @catsalad next thing you know you'll be telling me Nero didn't actually fiddle while Rome burned

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            @BoredomFestival @AccordionBruce @catsalad Nero might or might not have fiddled, but could have played the pipe organ…

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            • leeloo@c.imL leeloo@c.im

              @AccordionBruce @catsalad
              Someone's gotta post a picture of a Somali pirate with an accordion.

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              @leeloo @AccordionBruce @catsalad hegseth or trump with an accordion would work as well, but I have no desire to see their faces other than behind bars

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              • jeanniewarner@wandering.shopJ jeanniewarner@wandering.shop

                @davidr @AccordionBruce @catsalad Concertinas are still 1835 ish. Now, I haven't found anything on the variations of the nearly 4,000-year-old Chinese version. https://concertinamusic.com/timeline/

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                @Jeanniewarner @davidr @AccordionBruce @catsalad

                Yes, the concertina was the invention of Sir Charles Wheatstone, patented 1829, public launch 1835, so Tom the cabin boy couldn't have used one to play the Trumpet Hornpipe for Captain Pugwash[1] on The Black Pig. 3:O(> There were lots of competing designs, so as with computers: "Any student of the concertina has to choose between ten incompatible operating systems."[2] 3:O))>

                [1] Pugwash is coeval with this moose!

                [2] https://www.kcl.ac.uk/the-concertina-celebrating-sir-charles-wheatstones-invention-at-kings

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                • cadbury_moose@wandering.shopC cadbury_moose@wandering.shop

                  @Jeanniewarner @davidr @AccordionBruce @catsalad

                  Yes, the concertina was the invention of Sir Charles Wheatstone, patented 1829, public launch 1835, so Tom the cabin boy couldn't have used one to play the Trumpet Hornpipe for Captain Pugwash[1] on The Black Pig. 3:O(> There were lots of competing designs, so as with computers: "Any student of the concertina has to choose between ten incompatible operating systems."[2] 3:O))>

                  [1] Pugwash is coeval with this moose!

                  [2] https://www.kcl.ac.uk/the-concertina-celebrating-sir-charles-wheatstones-invention-at-kings

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                  @Cadbury_Moose @davidr @AccordionBruce @catsalad Thought you might enjoy reading about the Chinese one from an earlier millennium. 🙂

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                  • processparsnip@mastodon.ieP processparsnip@mastodon.ie

                    @AccordionBruce

                    🤯
                    Despite your username, I had to look this up and it's true. Absolutely wild.

                    @catsalad

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                    @ProcessParsnip @catsalad
                    It’s featured near the beginning of my #AccordionRevolution book

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                    • adam_wysokinski@fediscience.orgA adam_wysokinski@fediscience.org

                      @AccordionBruce @catsalad I've got a theory here: accordions, like opsin genes, were invented at least twice, separately. When the golden age of piracy was gone, the memories of accordions were repressed since strongly associated with socially unaccepted piracy-related aggression and violence. Hence, no trace in later history. However, they re-appear in movies as a great example of an archetype in Jungian shared unconsciousness. Anyone recall other social groups playing accordions? I'd like to develop my theory further.

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                      @adam_wysokinski @catsalad
                      The Jungian telegraph needs to be included at least

                      Developed by the same guy as the English concertina, Charles Wheatstone

                      He also measured the speed of light, did that circuit thing, and invented 3-D glasses 😵‍💫

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                      • accordionbruce@mastodon.socialA accordionbruce@mastodon.social

                        @adam_wysokinski @catsalad
                        The Jungian telegraph needs to be included at least

                        Developed by the same guy as the English concertina, Charles Wheatstone

                        He also measured the speed of light, did that circuit thing, and invented 3-D glasses 😵‍💫

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                        @adam_wysokinski @catsalad

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                        • owlor@meow.socialO owlor@meow.social

                          @AccordionBruce @catsalad It fucks me up knowing that the bodhrán was invented in the 19th century, cus it feels like something that must have been around forever.

                          Granted it does depend on who you ask, there are people who insist it's ancient, but I think it's a question of how rigorously you define it. Like frame drums are probably older than dirt, but we're talking about a specific type of frame drum.

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                          @Owlor @catsalad
                          I have to leave the history of the bodhrán to others

                          It’s too tempting to grab the story that it only got popular after Seán O Riada gave it a name on TV in the 60s

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                          • accordionbruce@mastodon.socialA accordionbruce@mastodon.social

                            @Owlor @catsalad
                            I have to leave the history of the bodhrán to others

                            It’s too tempting to grab the story that it only got popular after Seán O Riada gave it a name on TV in the 60s

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                            @Owlor @catsalad
                            There’s a cool video history series on YouTube by a fantastic player though

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                            • matthewskelton@mastodon.socialM matthewskelton@mastodon.social

                              @Theosoreass @AccordionBruce @catsalad noone would believe that the hurdy gurdy was a real instrument 🤣

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                              @matthewskelton @Theosoreass @catsalad
                              They gave Spencer Tracy a Hurdy Gurdy in Captains Courageous

                              Which is funny, because Kipling features an #accordion in the book, set contemporaneous to its 1897 publication

                              We can guess the era because the rich kid’s dad is a railway magnate and steams over to pick him up
                              https://youtu.be/sXDasPDVJWM

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                              • boredomfestival@sfba.socialB boredomfestival@sfba.social

                                @AccordionBruce @catsalad Neal Stephenson made a similar mistake in the Baroque Cycle: a character is killed by being stabbed with the endpin of a cello. Aside from the fact that this wouldn't be very effective structurally (the endpin is not robustly attached), the endpin didn't *exist* before the mid1800s (prior to that, the cello was held tightly between the legs, as the viola da gamba is today). A musician friend of mine wrote to Stephenson about this, (politely) pointing out the error. He told me that he received a reply, which read: "AAAARGH!"

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                                @BoredomFestival @catsalad
                                There was lively chatter on message boards when the young adult novel series about Mary “Jacky” Faber featured her playing a little Accordion

                                They start in 1801 which puts them before the 1829 development of the first accordions

                                It wasn’t featured much after that until the very last book (published 14 years later, two years after the author died) when she played it again, almost as if he was tossing one to all of the people who complained 🪗 😂
                                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Jack_(novel)

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                                • accordionbruce@mastodon.socialA accordionbruce@mastodon.social

                                  @ProcessParsnip @catsalad
                                  It’s featured near the beginning of my #AccordionRevolution book

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                                  @AccordionBruce

                                  there truly are experts in every single thing on Mastodon (not sarcastic).

                                  @catsalad

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                                  • sellathechemist@mastodon.socialS sellathechemist@mastodon.social

                                    @AccordionBruce @catsalad The accordion displaced the bagpipes (in their many variants) across Europe, pushing them to the margins - mountain valleys (Appenines, Pyrenees) on the mainland or islands (Sardinia, Ireland. Scotland).

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                                    @sellathechemist @catsalad
                                    Alan Lomax went to Europe in the 1950s to escape the McCarthy era

                                    And he seems to have come back with a deep hatred of the Accordion

                                    He called it a “pestiferous instrument”

                                    And seemed to apply a generic filter based on the fact that it had chased around fiddle and bagpipe traditions in many parts of Europe

                                    Not unearned. But not helpful

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                                    • davidr@hachyderm.ioD davidr@hachyderm.io

                                      @AccordionBruce @catsalad I thought the things pirates don't play were concertinas.

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                                      @davidr @catsalad
                                      See https://mastodon.social/@AccordionBruce/116354735008561385
                                      ❤️‍🔥🪗 🏴‍☠️

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                                      • accordionbruce@mastodon.socialA accordionbruce@mastodon.social

                                        @Owlor @catsalad
                                        There’s a cool video history series on YouTube by a fantastic player though

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                                        @Owlor @catsalad
                                        The origin-stories of traditions are some of my favourite things

                                        Like ~every~ tradition has to have been started by real live people just sitting around one day

                                        The accordion is particularly interesting because it gained real global popularity after the 1860s or so

                                        And recording started in the 1890s

                                        So we have records of people who might have known the very first players of some “traditional” styles

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                                        • accordionbruce@mastodon.socialA accordionbruce@mastodon.social

                                          @sellathechemist @catsalad
                                          Alan Lomax went to Europe in the 1950s to escape the McCarthy era

                                          And he seems to have come back with a deep hatred of the Accordion

                                          He called it a “pestiferous instrument”

                                          And seemed to apply a generic filter based on the fact that it had chased around fiddle and bagpipe traditions in many parts of Europe

                                          Not unearned. But not helpful

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                                          @AccordionBruce @sellathechemist @catsalad so that was after he recorded Lead Belly playing it ?

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