Russian Telegram videos now show how ordinary citizens are stopped and having their phones searched.
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@randahl wouldn't they already be able to access this info?Assuming people mostly get phones on a contract and not buying phones with cash.
@inpc @randahl Even if you buy with cash you (in most cases) end up 'using' the phone like a normal person; which builds out a combination of location data and contact activity.
Especially with a massive sino-russian border I don't doubt that someone who really cared could make two 'clean' phones and some anonymous IoT SIMs fall off the back of a truck, one to stay with the bomb and one to detonate it with; but users like that aren't getting their phones checked by random street cops.
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@benroyce @rudolfsciemins @randahl First, deal with your dictator, who wants to destroy the whole world, and then give advice to everyone else.
@kvilkidi @rudolfsciemins @randahl
oh hey timur, thanks for that gatekeeping
so i'll talk about whatever the fuck i want to talk about
i'll use this comment here for example to tell gatekeeping shitbags to shut the fuck up and trip on their front steps and wind up the hospital
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Russian Telegram videos now show how ordinary citizens are stopped and having their phones searched.
During these searches, the police writes down their phones' unique International Mobile Equipment Identity number to log their real identity and this number in a database. So every time a citizen turns on his phone, the dictatorship then knows which citizen it is, where he is, what he is doing online, and who he is talking to.
This is not a country. This is the largest prison on earth.
@randahl coming to an everywhere near you
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Russian Telegram videos now show how ordinary citizens are stopped and having their phones searched.
During these searches, the police writes down their phones' unique International Mobile Equipment Identity number to log their real identity and this number in a database. So every time a citizen turns on his phone, the dictatorship then knows which citizen it is, where he is, what he is doing online, and who he is talking to.
This is not a country. This is the largest prison on earth.
Couldn't the Russian government just threaten a telecom company to give them the whole list of subscriber names and IMEI numbers?
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@randahl Are you sure the IMEI can tell them what the phone is doing on the internet? I've never heard that before, and I just looked it up and it doesn't seem to be true. All it can tell them is the phone's location.
@mikelovesbikes I should be more precise: In Russia, they have an extreme internet surveillance system already, which monitors all internet activity. By manually fetching the IMEI from people, I suspect they can now guarntee a connection between the surveillance information and the device owner. So instead of knowing that SOMEONE visited a site sympathetic to Ukraine, they now know WHO did.
Does that make sense?
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@randahl Серьёзно? Наверное я живу в параллельной вселенной, где ничего подобного не происходит. Но зато в моей вселенной в мирных русских городах гибнут мирные люди от оружия, которое поставляет НАТО террористам. И эта кровь вопиет к небу.
@hakudzero Did Ukraine invade Russia in February 2022, or did Russia invade Ukraine?
Once you get that right, you know who the terrorists are.
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Russian Telegram videos now show how ordinary citizens are stopped and having their phones searched.
During these searches, the police writes down their phones' unique International Mobile Equipment Identity number to log their real identity and this number in a database. So every time a citizen turns on his phone, the dictatorship then knows which citizen it is, where he is, what he is doing online, and who he is talking to.
This is not a country. This is the largest prison on earth.
@randahl Why do you think pretty much all of us have to show an ID the moment we buy a SIM? Information like that has been hoovered up and stored for decades, here's a story that goes back to 2003:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-04/bali-bombers-caught-with-australian-intelligence-involvement/102362158
The Russians either still have a significant share of unregistered SIMs so they can't associate an IMEI to an owner via the IMSI without even asking, or/and they do this as an intimidation tactic. -
Russian Telegram videos now show how ordinary citizens are stopped and having their phones searched.
During these searches, the police writes down their phones' unique International Mobile Equipment Identity number to log their real identity and this number in a database. So every time a citizen turns on his phone, the dictatorship then knows which citizen it is, where he is, what he is doing online, and who he is talking to.
This is not a country. This is the largest prison on earth.
@randahl Coming soon to a country near you. Guaranteed.
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@epistomai Not Denmark, I know that much. We have cameras in the cities and it is illegal to cover your face. Dystopian.
@randahl @epistomai In many parts of the US it used to be illegal to wear a mask in public. Some were meant to combat groups like the Ku Klux Klan. Others to make it illegal to go into a bank wearing a mask. Covid and ICE certainly created a whole new issue over masks.
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Russian Telegram videos now show how ordinary citizens are stopped and having their phones searched.
During these searches, the police writes down their phones' unique International Mobile Equipment Identity number to log their real identity and this number in a database. So every time a citizen turns on his phone, the dictatorship then knows which citizen it is, where he is, what he is doing online, and who he is talking to.
This is not a country. This is the largest prison on earth.
@randahl
> So every time a citizen turns on his phone, ... what he is doing online, and who he is talking to.Every time a citizen does an on-line purchase their name and delivery address is made avaliable, every time a citizen enters range of a wifi-router whose owner did not care to end its SSID with "_nomap" suffix the oligoship knows where he is, regardless of the GPS being turned off. Usually, said citizen has also a home wifi routed through a telco operator on a long-term contract.
Long story short: one "turns out" their phone with every their move, and s/he is known the moment their device binded to the Google or Apple account.
The rest is taken care for by the dictatorship entities like RosKomNadozor in Russia, and Palantir in the U.S.
> the police writes down their phones' unique IMEI
A dissent prevention theater. The Roskomnadzor knows IMEI number at its first login to the GSM network, and knows who is using this device –by IMSI straight, or via the netlist built to date.Average people do not know siloviki know. Hence they came with this "write-down" theater.
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Russian Telegram videos now show how ordinary citizens are stopped and having their phones searched.
During these searches, the police writes down their phones' unique International Mobile Equipment Identity number to log their real identity and this number in a database. So every time a citizen turns on his phone, the dictatorship then knows which citizen it is, where he is, what he is doing online, and who he is talking to.
This is not a country. This is the largest prison on earth.
@randahl people who have been checked like this need to clean their phones and exchange it with someone else who also had been checked. If enough people have different phones the data base will become useless.
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@randahl There are 1,808,100 prisoners in prisons in the USA and 433,006 in Russia. Thank you for reminding me what demagoguery is.
@kvilkidi Russia has 300 prisoners per 100,000 citizens.
Sweden has 96
Denmark has 70
Norway has 55
Finland has 52
Iceland has 35 -
Russian Telegram videos now show how ordinary citizens are stopped and having their phones searched.
During these searches, the police writes down their phones' unique International Mobile Equipment Identity number to log their real identity and this number in a database. So every time a citizen turns on his phone, the dictatorship then knows which citizen it is, where he is, what he is doing online, and who he is talking to.
This is not a country. This is the largest prison on earth.
@randahl it reminds me of a certain country called USA since the last presidential elections, and also reminds me of what a good chunk of european politicians want to start introducing. In general everywhere we are going towards digital authoritarian prisons.
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@kvilkidi @rudolfsciemins @randahl
oh hey timur, thanks for that gatekeeping
so i'll talk about whatever the fuck i want to talk about
i'll use this comment here for example to tell gatekeeping shitbags to shut the fuck up and trip on their front steps and wind up the hospital
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Couldn't the Russian government just threaten a telecom company to give them the whole list of subscriber names and IMEI numbers?
@jmcrookston Putin's challenge is, some Russians buy their phones and their SIM cards abroad. Georgia is one source.
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i have 100s of comments hating on the govt of russia, putin, the kremlin
but i'm careful not to demonize regular russians, because yes, while many of them are loser assholes who support the stupid ethnofascist war on ukraine, many are not
and thus, not as some high minded moral principle, but simply as a matter of good tactics and strategy, we don't demonize all russians, simply because if putin is to be overthrown, it will be regular russians doing it
@randahl @benroyce, they had opportunity to make normal life for most of the people for one generation in history of their nation. What did they do with it - started wars.
They have lost 1M+ and they are fine with that. If they wanted to change government, they would have done that with less casualties.
So.. Don't humanise orcs till their society changes the same way German did. -
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@jmcrookston Putin's challenge is, some Russians buy their phones and their SIM cards abroad. Georgia is one source.
Ah interesting. And I guess the signals can't be blocked so they can get reception near borders etc
