Doesn't work without a Google/Apple-tied device btw.

[paulk@writing.exchange]

@pojntfx Which is what I already suspected.

[karlpettersson@mastodon.nu]

@pojntfx

Scan a QR if you access the website from another device (like the Swedish BankID and Freja ID apps)? But you must still have such a phone at hand, of course.

Overall architecture - European Age Verification Solution

(ageverification.dev)

[dpreacher@freeradical.zone]

@pojntfx
To compare software with drinking alcohol

Imagine the future teetotaler qualified by the criteria that they use no software.

[erikjonker@mastodon.social]

@soulsource @pojntfx ...why is it that so many people don't understand that improving things is a gradual process, especially in government, ofcourse we want to detach ourselves from the Google/Apple platforms, at the same time 99.9% of our citizens is there, if we can help them with this app (that remains a question by the way..), that is a "win" in my view.

[idotj@mastodon.online]

@pojntfx and on top of that, if that's true, people already found a way to hack it... (I didn't test that workaround)
https://cybernews.com/security/eu-age-verification-app-hack/

[fenixmaster@mastodon.social]

@pojntfx Fuck this app. No 1984.

[k4mpfie@mastodon.social]

@ErikJonker @soulsource @pojntfx "You have to start somewhere" is a fair point but if skip the first 5 steps and have a narrow point of view you probably should not have started at all yet. I mean this is not some grad students research project. This is serious stuff if they can't get that right what are they even doing in the first place?

[jelte@mastodon.nl]

@ErikJonker which will never improve if becomes a hard requirement to use them. I want the EU to make it easier to choose an alternative, rather than impossible.

[timothyroes@mastodon.social]

@kirakira @pojntfx See point 44 of the Commission Guidelines 2025/5519 on measures to ensure a high level of privacy, safety and security for minors online, which are guidelines on Article 28(4) of Regulation (EU) 2022/2065 = the Digital Services Act.

[timothyroes@mastodon.social]

@K4mpfie @ErikJonker @soulsource @pojntfx This project has little to do with the digital sovereignty push, it's an implementation of the Digital Services Act.

[susannedoering@zirk.us]

@pojntfx Can that be legal?

[timothyroes@mastodon.social]

@pojntfx This is something I'm also looking into as I've ordered a @jolla phone and so many government identity apps don't work on there. But this is novel terrain for everyone.

It might be arguable to say this amounts to granting special or exclusive rights to Apple and Google, which could be problematic under Article 106(2) TFEU. I'd also argue that it facilitates an abuse of dominance, in violation of Article 102 TFEU read together with Article 4(3) TEU.

[luboganev@androiddev.social]

@pojntfx have you found in the code hard dependencies that can't be abstracted and satisfied with alternatives? I checked it quickly and the reference implementation looks very flexible and modular, so if a government wants to build it also for other OS it should be doable but I'm not 100% sure, that's why I am asking if you found road blockers in the repo?

[brekke@eupolicy.social]

If a) public discourse and democratic participation is happening online, and b) age verification is necessary to be allowed to participate in this discourse, then the app proposed here is actively gatekeeping democratic participation. You could go as far as to say that those who cannot use this app would no longer be full citizens.

Even if this only badly affected 0.1% of Europeans, that would be something like 400 000 people degraded to second-class citizens.
@ErikJonker @soulsource @pojntfx

[regendans@todon.eu]

FWIW, I guess this could still work with Waydroid on a desktop computer. https://waydro.id/ #opensource #android #waydroid

[khleedril@cyberplace.social]

@TimothyRoes @K4mpfie @ErikJonker @soulsource @pojntfx Give with the right hand, take with the left...

[eliasp@mastodon.social]

@regendans unlikely, if it depends on device attestation.

[kaito02@mastodon.social]

@jelte @ErikJonker "Oh you don't have an iPhone? Just use Android!"

[corb_the_lesser@mastodon.social]

@pojntfx Equating the risks of using the products of Big Tech with the risks of consuming alcohol is... interesting.

[meneerdebruin@mastodon.nl]

@brekke @ErikJonker@mastodon.social @soulsource @pojntfx The discussion should revolve about why we would need this and for what. And then, and only then, how we would implement this.

Especially as the alcohol checks work so well. Not.