"Where to buy a non-Apple, non-Google smartphone"

[janvlug@mastodon.social]

@codo I do not use PWA's myself, but I know that there is some work being done in this area:

https://source.puri.sm/search?search=pwa&nav_source=navbar&group_id=22032&scope=issues

The battery is enough for me, I charge the #Librem5 usually whenever I have the possibility, so I cannot give details. It is way less than modern Android or Apple phones though. I use suspend.

Phone calls and SMS is reliable for me. I live in the Netherlands.

Maybe it woud be interesting to give your Librem 5 another try:

https://docs.puri.sm/Hardware/Librem_5/Maintenance/Reflashing.html

Make sure to flash Crimson.

[bazkie@beige.party]

@janvlug I wonder which would be the cheapest option? something second hand maybe, or is this all very new?

[janvlug@mastodon.social]

@bazkie Maybe you can still get somewhere a second hand #Librem5. Apparently @codo has one in their drawer

But you can als ask here:

https://forums.puri.sm/tag/marketplace

[bazkie@beige.party]

@janvlug @codo thanks

I wonder now, if (most?) android apps work on a linux phone using a VM/container like the article says, would that also work on a desktop PC? or does it require a device that can hold a SIM card?

[dos@social.librem.one]

@codo @janvlug
You can easily turn any website into a webapp, whether it's defined as a PWA or not. Pic related.

Battery, in my experience: 4-5 hours of active use; 12-14 hours of idling without sleeping; 22-24 hours in system suspend where it wakes up from calls and SMS.

Calls and SMS have been reliable for me here in Poland, but it's always subject to carrier compatibility now with VoLTE.

In general there's no need to reboot at all unless updating or working on the kernel.

[janvlug@mastodon.social]

@bazkie

Apparantly you can use #Waydroid for that. But personally, I do not use Waydroid, so I have no experience with that.

Also camera getting to work in Waydroid seems difficult.

You can use Waydroid on Linux, whether it is a Linux desktop, laptop or phone.

See also:

https://docs.puri.sm/Software/PureOS/cfg/android/waydroid.html

Maybe I should try this once myself, but my preference is to stay away from Android apps.

@codo

[bazkie@beige.party]

@janvlug @codo cool, thanks, I'll check it out!

honestly I don't want to use android apps myself ideally, but I'd like to have the option in cases where alternatives don't exist

[ellyva@mastodon.nl]

@janvlug Rooting an older Android phone sounds tempting. I had to put one in the drawer because my favorite Niantic game, #Ingress was not supported anymore.

[me@snac.thefedi.town]

@dos@librem.one That's awesome @codo@fosstodon.org @janvlug@mastodon.social

[skulesz@mastodon.social]

@dademurphy @janvlug @purism I only use my phone to call or text, have a couple of official apps I can't live without in Denmark, and for travel. everything else I can do in a browser.

What exactly am I walling myself off from? People who didn't care about me?

[mihamarkic@mastodon.social]

@janvlug I'd consider an EU based OS instead, like Sailfish, but then again it only runs on their devices and it isn't completely OSS. Degoogled options aren't bad as well, mostly because of the rich development community and tools, but then again it might some day cease existing. It's a tricky situation, so many options.

[jajo@mastodon.nu]

@janvlug One important question, van it handle BankID and Swish? Made for bankhandling and monytransfer?

[ryan@hcommons.social]

@janvlug im on Furilabs FL1Xs and the screen already cracked, also maps and bluetooth are really difficult. may end up on iphone soon

[felipe@social.treehouse.systems]

@dademurphy what exactly are you on about

[dademurphy@toot.community]

@skulesz @janvlug@mastodon.social @purism Pretty sure I already answered that.

If you’re using a device that isn’t compatible with Android or iOS products, you just hobbled your overall experience because you think you’re free to use a Linux phone when all you actually did was lock yourself behind a bigger wall. ‍️

Hell, you would be better off with a basic flip phone if that’s all you do, why spend money on a device that will never catch on?

[pwaring@social.xk7.net]

@janvlug Can you run apps that try to detect if you've rooted your phone, like banking apps (and in my country, even the official health app)?

[moritz@social.heiber.im]

@janvlug @Gina How do you deal with Purism‘s enablement of fascists and Nazis by allowing them to utilize their platform as a safe harbor?

PS: There are A TON of articles[^1] about them on the web concerning this topic, and you’d really be hard-pressed not to have heard of any of it; but maybe that’s the goal? “Free” hardware over anything?

[1] Example: https://anarc.at/blog/2019-05-13-free-speech/

[codo@fosstodon.org]

@dos @janvlug Thank you both for the answers. I'd love to see Purism get better and more widely available, but I'm not prepared to be an adopter yet. I used to think my requirements were quite minimal, but when using the Librem I've realized all the functionality that I've been taking for granted on /e/OS.

[sebulon@mastodon.social]

@jajo @janvlug
No, not natively or through Waydroid currently.

[cyb3rrunn3r@cyb3rrunn3r.de]

@janvlug@mastodon.social https://shop.nitrokey.com/shop/category/smartphone-tablet-4 maybe???