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  3. We are now being told we need Digital ID, age verification and KYC to "protect kids" at OS level but the simplest solution is the best one.

We are now being told we need Digital ID, age verification and KYC to "protect kids" at OS level but the simplest solution is the best one.

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  • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

    We are now being told we need Digital ID, age verification and KYC to "protect kids" at OS level but the simplest solution is the best one. Hear me out:

    Keep computers in common areas (kitchen or living room) and delay smartphones. We shouldn't trade everyone's privacy for a problem that can be solved with parenting, love, explaining dangers to kids and stricter corporate accountability.

    How hard is this? What am I missing?

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    #36

    @nixCraft
    Kids also deserve privacy when using the family computer. I don't believe that computers in common areas solve this.
    But parenting, love and explaining will.

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    • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

      We are now being told we need Digital ID, age verification and KYC to "protect kids" at OS level but the simplest solution is the best one. Hear me out:

      Keep computers in common areas (kitchen or living room) and delay smartphones. We shouldn't trade everyone's privacy for a problem that can be solved with parenting, love, explaining dangers to kids and stricter corporate accountability.

      How hard is this? What am I missing?

      gokushrm@mastodon.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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      wrote last edited by
      #37

      @nixCraft be a good parent & everything will be fine. Keep your children away from phone or computer (specially phone) until they are not 18+.

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      • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

        We are now being told we need Digital ID, age verification and KYC to "protect kids" at OS level but the simplest solution is the best one. Hear me out:

        Keep computers in common areas (kitchen or living room) and delay smartphones. We shouldn't trade everyone's privacy for a problem that can be solved with parenting, love, explaining dangers to kids and stricter corporate accountability.

        How hard is this? What am I missing?

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        kalin5@mastodon.social
        wrote last edited by
        #38

        @nixCraft I think you are missing the fact that putting a smartphone in each child's hand generates revenue for someone and substituting that with affection and care for the children will put the last nail in the coffin of the economy, which legislators would want you to believe is not collapsing. Welcome to the dystopia.

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        • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

          We are now being told we need Digital ID, age verification and KYC to "protect kids" at OS level but the simplest solution is the best one. Hear me out:

          Keep computers in common areas (kitchen or living room) and delay smartphones. We shouldn't trade everyone's privacy for a problem that can be solved with parenting, love, explaining dangers to kids and stricter corporate accountability.

          How hard is this? What am I missing?

          drangnon@hachyderm.ioD This user is from outside of this forum
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          #39

          @nixCraft you are missing that it's not about "protecting kids" but about "protecting big tech from liability arising from harm to kids"

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          • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

            We are now being told we need Digital ID, age verification and KYC to "protect kids" at OS level but the simplest solution is the best one. Hear me out:

            Keep computers in common areas (kitchen or living room) and delay smartphones. We shouldn't trade everyone's privacy for a problem that can be solved with parenting, love, explaining dangers to kids and stricter corporate accountability.

            How hard is this? What am I missing?

            harpy@mas.toH This user is from outside of this forum
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            #40

            @nixCraft what if we (and I know this sounds wild) let people work from home; they could do this thing where they have more time to be present with and teach their kids! We could go even further and make *gasp* small walkable communities so kids and parents spend less time commuting and more time community-ing. Rather than constantly slapping security band aids on 😩

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            • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

              We are now being told we need Digital ID, age verification and KYC to "protect kids" at OS level but the simplest solution is the best one. Hear me out:

              Keep computers in common areas (kitchen or living room) and delay smartphones. We shouldn't trade everyone's privacy for a problem that can be solved with parenting, love, explaining dangers to kids and stricter corporate accountability.

              How hard is this? What am I missing?

              scottslowe@fosstodon.orgS This user is from outside of this forum
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              #41

              @nixCraft I couldn’t have said it better myself. Seriously, just be a good parent and pay attention!

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              • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                We are now being told we need Digital ID, age verification and KYC to "protect kids" at OS level but the simplest solution is the best one. Hear me out:

                Keep computers in common areas (kitchen or living room) and delay smartphones. We shouldn't trade everyone's privacy for a problem that can be solved with parenting, love, explaining dangers to kids and stricter corporate accountability.

                How hard is this? What am I missing?

                shadesofraye@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                shadesofraye@mastodon.social
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                #42

                @nixCraft
                I will delete my entire online presence,move to the woods and become a feral cryptid before I ever give social media my ID.

                Anyway, I agree. Parents need to parent their own fucking children.

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                • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                  We are now being told we need Digital ID, age verification and KYC to "protect kids" at OS level but the simplest solution is the best one. Hear me out:

                  Keep computers in common areas (kitchen or living room) and delay smartphones. We shouldn't trade everyone's privacy for a problem that can be solved with parenting, love, explaining dangers to kids and stricter corporate accountability.

                  How hard is this? What am I missing?

                  sassinake@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #43

                  @nixCraft Censorship is infantilizing, especially when it's applied to adults who simply want to keep a modicum of privacy.

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                  • da_667@infosec.exchangeD da_667@infosec.exchange

                    @nixCraft there are a lot of people who can't and should not have been parents who will not take responsibility for raising another human being.

                    I say this from experience.

                    sassinake@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #44

                    @da_667 @nixCraft

                    those kids are going to find access at Uncle Bob's house down the street.

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                    • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                      We are now being told we need Digital ID, age verification and KYC to "protect kids" at OS level but the simplest solution is the best one. Hear me out:

                      Keep computers in common areas (kitchen or living room) and delay smartphones. We shouldn't trade everyone's privacy for a problem that can be solved with parenting, love, explaining dangers to kids and stricter corporate accountability.

                      How hard is this? What am I missing?

                      kitkat_blue@mastodon.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #45

                      @nixCraft

                      You aren't missing anything.

                      the entirety of the global digital ID drive is just a massive data grab dressed up as an innocent child.

                      It's revolting in it's depravity.

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                      • dch@bsd.networkD dch@bsd.network

                        @nixCraft this is what we’ve done and it seems to work well. No phones til 14yo, screen time requires a tidy room, homework and chores done, and 2x of outside time to compensate.

                        I guess we aren’t too strict on completing all of the list, but it works out ok.

                        I always point out to the kids that we don’t have cows to milk at 4am and there’s no fencepost holes to dig, vege garden to deal with, wood to chop, sheep to shear, nor other farm labour which was part of my childhood.

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                        #46

                        @dch @nixCraft Much the same here with our pre-teens.

                        We have four devices running Linux with decent sized screens in the living room. Useful for Luanti games nights, film nights and just noodling around the net.

                        We talk a lot with our offspring about issues with the current surveillance economy and related issues. This and more in the context of among other things, geopolitics, gender politics, economics, neurodivergence and religion.

                        They have dumb phones for calls and texts.

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                        • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                          We are now being told we need Digital ID, age verification and KYC to "protect kids" at OS level but the simplest solution is the best one. Hear me out:

                          Keep computers in common areas (kitchen or living room) and delay smartphones. We shouldn't trade everyone's privacy for a problem that can be solved with parenting, love, explaining dangers to kids and stricter corporate accountability.

                          How hard is this? What am I missing?

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                          anon20394702398750@mastodon.social
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                          #47

                          @nixCraft

                          The mistake is assuming the propaganda is true. It's not.

                          My kids grew up with tablets and cell phones and their own PCs with very little restrictions other than ad/FB/porn blocking. They were honor students and are now in university. They're not even techy nerds (like their parents), just normal well-rounded people.

                          People think they're "saving our kids" but they're just turning them into easily manipulated idiots who will vote conservative.

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                          • sassinake@mastodon.socialS sassinake@mastodon.social

                            @da_667 @nixCraft

                            those kids are going to find access at Uncle Bob's house down the street.

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                            @Sassinake @da_667 @nixCraft In our case getting to "Uncle Bob's" place, their closest uncle being 700 km from here would suggest that they might have matured enough to be allowed to use the internet in private.

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                            • the_wub@mastodon.socialT the_wub@mastodon.social

                              @Sassinake @da_667 @nixCraft In our case getting to "Uncle Bob's" place, their closest uncle being 700 km from here would suggest that they might have matured enough to be allowed to use the internet in private.

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                              #49

                              @the_wub @da_667 @nixCraft

                              yeah that is not the 'Uncle' i'm referring to.

                              I'm referring to kids getting trapped in internet 'black market'.

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                              • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                We are now being told we need Digital ID, age verification and KYC to "protect kids" at OS level but the simplest solution is the best one. Hear me out:

                                Keep computers in common areas (kitchen or living room) and delay smartphones. We shouldn't trade everyone's privacy for a problem that can be solved with parenting, love, explaining dangers to kids and stricter corporate accountability.

                                How hard is this? What am I missing?

                                richardstocks@infosec.exchangeR This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #50

                                @nixCraft @threatresearch People stopped asking me for advice on “parental controls” because my answer was always “be a parent.”

                                I’d also point out that they’re about to embark on a path of constantly telling their child that they’re not trusted to do the right thing or to be responsible.

                                Besides, whatever technical controls the parent puts in place, the child will find a way to circumvent.

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