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We are now being told we need Digital ID, age verification and KYC to "protect kids" at OS level but the simplest solution is the best one.

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  • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

    We are now being told we need Digital ID, age verification and KYC to "protect kids" at OS level but the simplest solution is the best one. Hear me out:

    Keep computers in common areas (kitchen or living room) and delay smartphones. We shouldn't trade everyone's privacy for a problem that can be solved with parenting, love, explaining dangers to kids and stricter corporate accountability.

    How hard is this? What am I missing?

    vger@gts.necronomi.coV This user is from outside of this forum
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    vger@gts.necronomi.co
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    #4

    @nixCraft You aren't missing anything. That's what we've done with our child. They came out pretty okay.

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    • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

      We are now being told we need Digital ID, age verification and KYC to "protect kids" at OS level but the simplest solution is the best one. Hear me out:

      Keep computers in common areas (kitchen or living room) and delay smartphones. We shouldn't trade everyone's privacy for a problem that can be solved with parenting, love, explaining dangers to kids and stricter corporate accountability.

      How hard is this? What am I missing?

      ddiluted1@mastodon.auD This user is from outside of this forum
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      ddiluted1@mastodon.au
      wrote last edited by
      #5

      @nixCraft we held off our kids getting smartphones as long as we practically could. Number 1 rule was no devices in their bedrooms including us as parents.

      Both our kids are now young adults and they are personally thanking us for our approach.

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      • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

        We are now being told we need Digital ID, age verification and KYC to "protect kids" at OS level but the simplest solution is the best one. Hear me out:

        Keep computers in common areas (kitchen or living room) and delay smartphones. We shouldn't trade everyone's privacy for a problem that can be solved with parenting, love, explaining dangers to kids and stricter corporate accountability.

        How hard is this? What am I missing?

        koteisaev@mastodon.onlineK This user is from outside of this forum
        koteisaev@mastodon.onlineK This user is from outside of this forum
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        #6

        @nixCraft This is hard because today children have plenty of "mandatory" screen time, plus imagine a school provided (or bought for games) laptop or tablet)? Some children lucky to have own room and own PC (initially for games).
        Sounds like you suggest to return back to shared computer per family/household? Or I missed something?

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        • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

          We are now being told we need Digital ID, age verification and KYC to "protect kids" at OS level but the simplest solution is the best one. Hear me out:

          Keep computers in common areas (kitchen or living room) and delay smartphones. We shouldn't trade everyone's privacy for a problem that can be solved with parenting, love, explaining dangers to kids and stricter corporate accountability.

          How hard is this? What am I missing?

          eickot@mastodon.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
          eickot@mastodon.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
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          #7

          @nixCraft a child should not have an smartphone until he has 18 years more or less, if he wishes a mobile phone, dumb phones are perfect!

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          • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

            We are now being told we need Digital ID, age verification and KYC to "protect kids" at OS level but the simplest solution is the best one. Hear me out:

            Keep computers in common areas (kitchen or living room) and delay smartphones. We shouldn't trade everyone's privacy for a problem that can be solved with parenting, love, explaining dangers to kids and stricter corporate accountability.

            How hard is this? What am I missing?

            trinsec@trinsec.orgT This user is from outside of this forum
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            trinsec@trinsec.org
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            #8

            @nixCraft@mastodon.social But.. but... that would require parents to actually parent!

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            • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

              We are now being told we need Digital ID, age verification and KYC to "protect kids" at OS level but the simplest solution is the best one. Hear me out:

              Keep computers in common areas (kitchen or living room) and delay smartphones. We shouldn't trade everyone's privacy for a problem that can be solved with parenting, love, explaining dangers to kids and stricter corporate accountability.

              How hard is this? What am I missing?

              bartolomeo_k@todon.nlB This user is from outside of this forum
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              bartolomeo_k@todon.nl
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              #9

              @nixCraft @nixCraft nah, nah, nah! You can't undermine the whole department of surveillance and control just like this. We're talking about the soil of the earth, our kids, the most precious and innocent elements of the universe. Otherwise we would be forced to talk about hunger problem, housing problem, violence problem. Be serious.

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              • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                We are now being told we need Digital ID, age verification and KYC to "protect kids" at OS level but the simplest solution is the best one. Hear me out:

                Keep computers in common areas (kitchen or living room) and delay smartphones. We shouldn't trade everyone's privacy for a problem that can be solved with parenting, love, explaining dangers to kids and stricter corporate accountability.

                How hard is this? What am I missing?

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                chris1776@mastodon.bsd.cafe
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                #10

                @nixCraft You are missing that this is not about "protecting" anyone.

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                • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                  We are now being told we need Digital ID, age verification and KYC to "protect kids" at OS level but the simplest solution is the best one. Hear me out:

                  Keep computers in common areas (kitchen or living room) and delay smartphones. We shouldn't trade everyone's privacy for a problem that can be solved with parenting, love, explaining dangers to kids and stricter corporate accountability.

                  How hard is this? What am I missing?

                  paulbrzeski@mastodon.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
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                  paulbrzeski@mastodon.social
                  wrote last edited by
                  #11

                  @nixCraft But how is actually protecting kids gonna create honeypots for bitcoin fuelled criminals to plunder? And what about the hard working investors of Palanthir? You want them not to have their Sauron inspired device? That would be awful :3

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                  • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                    We are now being told we need Digital ID, age verification and KYC to "protect kids" at OS level but the simplest solution is the best one. Hear me out:

                    Keep computers in common areas (kitchen or living room) and delay smartphones. We shouldn't trade everyone's privacy for a problem that can be solved with parenting, love, explaining dangers to kids and stricter corporate accountability.

                    How hard is this? What am I missing?

                    jgaehring@social.coopJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #12

                    @nixCraft even simpler: *any* corporate accountability. full stop.

                    bonus: tax the bejesus out of those mofos and give it back to parents for childcare and weekends off work and better schools.

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                    • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                      We are now being told we need Digital ID, age verification and KYC to "protect kids" at OS level but the simplest solution is the best one. Hear me out:

                      Keep computers in common areas (kitchen or living room) and delay smartphones. We shouldn't trade everyone's privacy for a problem that can be solved with parenting, love, explaining dangers to kids and stricter corporate accountability.

                      How hard is this? What am I missing?

                      dch@bsd.networkD This user is from outside of this forum
                      dch@bsd.networkD This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #13

                      @nixCraft this is what we’ve done and it seems to work well. No phones til 14yo, screen time requires a tidy room, homework and chores done, and 2x of outside time to compensate.

                      I guess we aren’t too strict on completing all of the list, but it works out ok.

                      I always point out to the kids that we don’t have cows to milk at 4am and there’s no fencepost holes to dig, vege garden to deal with, wood to chop, sheep to shear, nor other farm labour which was part of my childhood.

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                      • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                        We are now being told we need Digital ID, age verification and KYC to "protect kids" at OS level but the simplest solution is the best one. Hear me out:

                        Keep computers in common areas (kitchen or living room) and delay smartphones. We shouldn't trade everyone's privacy for a problem that can be solved with parenting, love, explaining dangers to kids and stricter corporate accountability.

                        How hard is this? What am I missing?

                        goeieroemel@mastodon.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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                        goeieroemel@mastodon.social
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                        #14

                        @nixCraft no, that's way too proactive. You're gonna scare away the big companies and they will do a lot of worse things. Anywho they make our economy so you shouldn't judge! /Sarcasm

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                        • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                          We are now being told we need Digital ID, age verification and KYC to "protect kids" at OS level but the simplest solution is the best one. Hear me out:

                          Keep computers in common areas (kitchen or living room) and delay smartphones. We shouldn't trade everyone's privacy for a problem that can be solved with parenting, love, explaining dangers to kids and stricter corporate accountability.

                          How hard is this? What am I missing?

                          raymaccarthy@mastodon.ieR This user is from outside of this forum
                          raymaccarthy@mastodon.ieR This user is from outside of this forum
                          raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie
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                          #15

                          @nixCraft
                          That's what we did. We had multiple computers from 1992 and Internet from 1994.
                          Our kids do the same with their kids.

                          The "protecting the kids" is a lie. It's about surveillance and monetisation of every adult. That's why companies like Meta (Facebook) want it.

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                          • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                            We are now being told we need Digital ID, age verification and KYC to "protect kids" at OS level but the simplest solution is the best one. Hear me out:

                            Keep computers in common areas (kitchen or living room) and delay smartphones. We shouldn't trade everyone's privacy for a problem that can be solved with parenting, love, explaining dangers to kids and stricter corporate accountability.

                            How hard is this? What am I missing?

                            aleksandarilic@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                            aleksandarilic@mastodon.social
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                            #16

                            @nixCraft you're missing responsible parents. People don't give a fuck nowadays, they live like animals, just shove that screen into 2yolds hands so you don't have to deal with them.

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                            • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                              We are now being told we need Digital ID, age verification and KYC to "protect kids" at OS level but the simplest solution is the best one. Hear me out:

                              Keep computers in common areas (kitchen or living room) and delay smartphones. We shouldn't trade everyone's privacy for a problem that can be solved with parenting, love, explaining dangers to kids and stricter corporate accountability.

                              How hard is this? What am I missing?

                              mbeddeddev@fosstodon.orgM This user is from outside of this forum
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                              mbeddeddev@fosstodon.org
                              wrote last edited by
                              #17

                              @nixCraft You miss the point that the government is corrupt and totalitarian. You can't control or suppress free and sovereign people. That's why "we" need laws to "protect" the kids..
                              It's just a salami technique from my point of view.

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                              • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                We are now being told we need Digital ID, age verification and KYC to "protect kids" at OS level but the simplest solution is the best one. Hear me out:

                                Keep computers in common areas (kitchen or living room) and delay smartphones. We shouldn't trade everyone's privacy for a problem that can be solved with parenting, love, explaining dangers to kids and stricter corporate accountability.

                                How hard is this? What am I missing?

                                kaasbaas@social.oevents.co.zaK This user is from outside of this forum
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                                kaasbaas@social.oevents.co.za
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                                #18

                                @nixCraft follow the money

                                (I don't have anything concrete, but usually when something this dumb is pushed this hard it only starts to make "sense" once you understand what money flows where how.

                                See also: Return to office mandates
                                )

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                                • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                  We are now being told we need Digital ID, age verification and KYC to "protect kids" at OS level but the simplest solution is the best one. Hear me out:

                                  Keep computers in common areas (kitchen or living room) and delay smartphones. We shouldn't trade everyone's privacy for a problem that can be solved with parenting, love, explaining dangers to kids and stricter corporate accountability.

                                  How hard is this? What am I missing?

                                  kdieter@machteburch.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #19

                                  @nixCraft another thing that is missing is the sheer amount of pressure exercised by other childrens parents who do not mind surveillance, ads and trollfarms having free access to their kids.

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                                  • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                    We are now being told we need Digital ID, age verification and KYC to "protect kids" at OS level but the simplest solution is the best one. Hear me out:

                                    Keep computers in common areas (kitchen or living room) and delay smartphones. We shouldn't trade everyone's privacy for a problem that can be solved with parenting, love, explaining dangers to kids and stricter corporate accountability.

                                    How hard is this? What am I missing?

                                    d1re_w0lf@mstdn.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    d1re_w0lf@mstdn.social
                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #20

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                                    • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                      We are now being told we need Digital ID, age verification and KYC to "protect kids" at OS level but the simplest solution is the best one. Hear me out:

                                      Keep computers in common areas (kitchen or living room) and delay smartphones. We shouldn't trade everyone's privacy for a problem that can be solved with parenting, love, explaining dangers to kids and stricter corporate accountability.

                                      How hard is this? What am I missing?

                                      bolomkxxviii@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      bolomkxxviii@mastodon.social
                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #21

                                      @nixCraft Make the creators of content broadcast a flag of mature content. The OS can be configured to read the flag and not load mature content if the adult has turned on content filtering. Problem solved without making private information vulnerable to hackers or corrupt governments.

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                                      • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                        We are now being told we need Digital ID, age verification and KYC to "protect kids" at OS level but the simplest solution is the best one. Hear me out:

                                        Keep computers in common areas (kitchen or living room) and delay smartphones. We shouldn't trade everyone's privacy for a problem that can be solved with parenting, love, explaining dangers to kids and stricter corporate accountability.

                                        How hard is this? What am I missing?

                                        miss_rodent@girlcock.clubM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #22

                                        @nixCraft Could also, y'know, hold the people actually harming children (like facbook with their predatory & manipulative algorithmic feeds) accountable, instead of attacking privacy.

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                                        • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                          We are now being told we need Digital ID, age verification and KYC to "protect kids" at OS level but the simplest solution is the best one. Hear me out:

                                          Keep computers in common areas (kitchen or living room) and delay smartphones. We shouldn't trade everyone's privacy for a problem that can be solved with parenting, love, explaining dangers to kids and stricter corporate accountability.

                                          How hard is this? What am I missing?

                                          brett_e_carlock@mastodon.onlineB This user is from outside of this forum
                                          brett_e_carlock@mastodon.onlineB This user is from outside of this forum
                                          brett_e_carlock@mastodon.online
                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #23

                                          @nixCraft
                                          We are doing what my parents did (most likely by happenstance):
                                          Internet-connected family desktop in common room, one account.

                                          Any other computers (laptops) not internet connected, curated software.

                                          Phones, not until highschool.

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