I keep seeing articles like this, about how people choosing to drink less is hurting bars and restaurants, and it's almost always framed as people, especially younger generations, don't like to drink.
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if global coffee consumption is growing does that mean this is actually changing habits?
my own experience - which his limited of course - is that more and more people (i) don't want the health impact of alcohol, and (ii) find inebriated people boring, bothersome and even a threat
I agree, affordability is a growing challenge, but because coffee consumption is not falling, that means people are choosing away from alcohol
@charlesdelavalleepoussin Youre making a ton of assumptions
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I keep seeing articles like this, about how people choosing to drink less is hurting bars and restaurants, and it's almost always framed as people, especially younger generations, don't like to drink.
They never seem to bring up the fact that a cocktail is like $20 now unless you go to a really divey dive bar. It's the same kind of reporting they on how no one goes to the movies anymore. It's always about changing habits, and never that movie tickets just cost a lot now.
@MLE_online Some restaurants have started adding a “labor surcharge” to the check, often accompanied by a big explanation somewhere on the menu, which all comes across as a backhanded way to build animosity towards minimum wage hikes. Rent is also an escalating cost for restaurants but I’ve yet to see a one collect a landlord surcharge.
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@MLE_online Some restaurants have started adding a “labor surcharge” to the check, often accompanied by a big explanation somewhere on the menu, which all comes across as a backhanded way to build animosity towards minimum wage hikes. Rent is also an escalating cost for restaurants but I’ve yet to see a one collect a landlord surcharge.
@gneilyo Right? Rent for business spaces is crazy high in a lot of cities now, but you never hear them making a stink about that in public
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@charlesdelavalleepoussin Youre making a ton of assumptions
happy to be educated
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happy to be educated
@charlesdelavalleepoussin I don't really feel like it! You've already suggested that people who like drinking are boring and threatening, so this conversation is starting off poorly
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I keep seeing articles like this, about how people choosing to drink less is hurting bars and restaurants, and it's almost always framed as people, especially younger generations, don't like to drink.
They never seem to bring up the fact that a cocktail is like $20 now unless you go to a really divey dive bar. It's the same kind of reporting they on how no one goes to the movies anymore. It's always about changing habits, and never that movie tickets just cost a lot now.
@MLE_online We literally have the same kind of reporting and business owners pinning the blame on everyone else.
Like "oh the city center is dying because you and those damn zoomers are too lazy to come and spend your money in our businesses"
like, what friggin money? And for what? A 10€ pint or a 20€ cocktail?
I'd rather stay home than go all the way there for drinks I can't really afford lol
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@MLE_online I heard an economist lecture where he expressed the "correct" price for a Movie ticket was 'one hour of minimum wage' Basically that was the optimum amount of 'work' someone would do to go to the movies regularly.
@ChuckMcManis @MLE_online@social.afront.orgy that logic the price of a movei should be the same as it was 20 years ago.
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@MLE_online We literally have the same kind of reporting and business owners pinning the blame on everyone else.
Like "oh the city center is dying because you and those damn zoomers are too lazy to come and spend your money in our businesses"
like, what friggin money? And for what? A 10€ pint or a 20€ cocktail?
I'd rather stay home than go all the way there for drinks I can't really afford lol
@miiamustang yea! who can afford that these days!
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@MLE_online Some restaurants have started adding a “labor surcharge” to the check, often accompanied by a big explanation somewhere on the menu, which all comes across as a backhanded way to build animosity towards minimum wage hikes. Rent is also an escalating cost for restaurants but I’ve yet to see a one collect a landlord surcharge.
One time i saw a place write some bullshit like "in order to keep prices low with the increased minimum wage we are adding a 10% labor surcharge to your bill" on their menu.
It was the last time I ate there
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One time i saw a place write some bullshit like "in order to keep prices low with the increased minimum wage we are adding a 10% labor surcharge to your bill" on their menu.
It was the last time I ate there
@gbargoud @MLE_online Right? They don't cry about increases in the price of steak or the gas bill, why this?
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I keep seeing articles like this, about how people choosing to drink less is hurting bars and restaurants, and it's almost always framed as people, especially younger generations, don't like to drink.
They never seem to bring up the fact that a cocktail is like $20 now unless you go to a really divey dive bar. It's the same kind of reporting they on how no one goes to the movies anymore. It's always about changing habits, and never that movie tickets just cost a lot now.
@MLE_online I'm guessing they also don't mention the significant percentage of people who now have long COVID (5-10% of population conservative estimate) of which one of the most common symptoms is alcohol intolerance.
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@gbargoud @MLE_online Right? They don't cry about increases in the price of steak or the gas bill, why this?
@gneilyo @gbargoud They do complain about the price of meat, but only when it's in relation to something like California requiring cows to not be held in steel cages where they' can't turn around for 19 hours a day. They don't complain about the massive meatpacking corporations that are raising the price of meat
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I keep seeing articles like this, about how people choosing to drink less is hurting bars and restaurants, and it's almost always framed as people, especially younger generations, don't like to drink.
They never seem to bring up the fact that a cocktail is like $20 now unless you go to a really divey dive bar. It's the same kind of reporting they on how no one goes to the movies anymore. It's always about changing habits, and never that movie tickets just cost a lot now.
@MLE_online It is quite strange to me that for the price of a restaurant dinner and a couple drinks I can buy a low end laptop.
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@MLE_online It is quite strange to me that for the price of a restaurant dinner and a couple drinks I can buy a low end laptop.
@mirth i know going out is expensive, but what restaurants are you going to/what budget laptops are you buying that the laptop is cheaper?
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I keep seeing articles like this, about how people choosing to drink less is hurting bars and restaurants, and it's almost always framed as people, especially younger generations, don't like to drink.
They never seem to bring up the fact that a cocktail is like $20 now unless you go to a really divey dive bar. It's the same kind of reporting they on how no one goes to the movies anymore. It's always about changing habits, and never that movie tickets just cost a lot now.
@MLE_online
Third spaces are important.Regardless of if they are a business for economic value generation. The fact that costs are rising and wages are slumping definitely effects businesses that provide spaces does matter.
Libraries, community centers, are also suffering from will to cut public services in order to cut taxes.
The wealthy used to compete with one another to try to donate their wealth toward public goods.
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@mirth i know going out is expensive, but what restaurants are you going to/what budget laptops are you buying that the laptop is cheaper?
@MLE_online Oh, I don't go hardly at all partially due to the expense. Dinner for two with drinks in my city might be US $100 at the neighborhood Thai place to $400 for a fancier Italian place we like, and a low end Lenovo or HP laptop can be had for $200 to $300 delivered from Amazon or similar.
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@ChuckMcManis if someone told me they would give me a movie ticket if i worked for an hour, i would tell them to fuck off. that's too much work to watch a movie
i agree. i'd work 15 minutes to get four movie tickets, though
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I keep seeing articles like this, about how people choosing to drink less is hurting bars and restaurants, and it's almost always framed as people, especially younger generations, don't like to drink.
They never seem to bring up the fact that a cocktail is like $20 now unless you go to a really divey dive bar. It's the same kind of reporting they on how no one goes to the movies anymore. It's always about changing habits, and never that movie tickets just cost a lot now.
@MLE_online I don’t know. $20 cocktails are too expensive, yet somehow $1000+ tickets for Taylor Swift are just fine…!
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@MLE_online Oh, I don't go hardly at all partially due to the expense. Dinner for two with drinks in my city might be US $100 at the neighborhood Thai place to $400 for a fancier Italian place we like, and a low end Lenovo or HP laptop can be had for $200 to $300 delivered from Amazon or similar.
@mirth omg what! If I went to a thai place here, I would be looking at $25 for the meal and maybe $9 each for two beers, but, and with tip, it's like $50 maybe? About the same for a normal italian place of the sort that has candles stuck in chianti bottles on the tables
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@MLE_online I don’t know. $20 cocktails are too expensive, yet somehow $1000+ tickets for Taylor Swift are just fine…!
@Dr_Bombay There was an article several months ago about swfities skipping meals to save money up to go to her concerts
