I keep seeing articles like this, about how people choosing to drink less is hurting bars and restaurants, and it's almost always framed as people, especially younger generations, don't like to drink.
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@BsCreativeLife I wonder if there are enough wealthy people to keep vegas going without regular people also spending time there. Vegas is not Dubai and it's not Monaco.
@MLE_online doubtful, but the tickets, fees, Formula 1, and stakes at the tables are what they are placing their bets on holding Vegas afloat...
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how about the fact that WAGES aren't keeping up with the cost of living??@MsMerope That's just the other side of the coin of everything costing too much
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I keep seeing articles like this, about how people choosing to drink less is hurting bars and restaurants, and it's almost always framed as people, especially younger generations, don't like to drink.
They never seem to bring up the fact that a cocktail is like $20 now unless you go to a really divey dive bar. It's the same kind of reporting they on how no one goes to the movies anymore. It's always about changing habits, and never that movie tickets just cost a lot now.
@MLE_online This is a great point. I was at a non-fancy cocktail bar last week and wound up spending $25 with an automatic 20% tip (which I would have left anyhow) on a single, average drink.
TL:DR Even as someone who's used to pricey drinks at fancy restaurants, I've been startled at how expensive they're getting everywhere.
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There are limits, and if I can buy two bottles of vodka from the grocery store for the price of a single cocktail, I'm going to opt to not have that cocktail most of the time
There's a burrito place near me that I really like, that I've been eating at for years. I used to go once a week or so, but since the pandemic, the price of a burrito went from $5 to $11, and that's just too much! I eat there once every few months now. It doesn't mean I don't like burritos though.
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There's a burrito place near me that I really like, that I've been eating at for years. I used to go once a week or so, but since the pandemic, the price of a burrito went from $5 to $11, and that's just too much! I eat there once every few months now. It doesn't mean I don't like burritos though.
@MLE_online I heard an economist lecture where he expressed the "correct" price for a Movie ticket was 'one hour of minimum wage' Basically that was the optimum amount of 'work' someone would do to go to the movies regularly.
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@MLE_online I heard an economist lecture where he expressed the "correct" price for a Movie ticket was 'one hour of minimum wage' Basically that was the optimum amount of 'work' someone would do to go to the movies regularly.
@ChuckMcManis if someone told me they would give me a movie ticket if i worked for an hour, i would tell them to fuck off. that's too much work to watch a movie
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I keep seeing articles like this, about how people choosing to drink less is hurting bars and restaurants, and it's almost always framed as people, especially younger generations, don't like to drink.
They never seem to bring up the fact that a cocktail is like $20 now unless you go to a really divey dive bar. It's the same kind of reporting they on how no one goes to the movies anymore. It's always about changing habits, and never that movie tickets just cost a lot now.
@MLE_online right? There was something I saw recently about like 60% of Americans can't afford a minimal quality of life, and since I think a big part of that is housing where people who moved in the last 10 years are more disadvantaged, and young people are generally in that category, that would contribute.
Also if you already have to live with like 5 friends, why go out to the bar instead of drinking at home together? -
I keep seeing articles like this, about how people choosing to drink less is hurting bars and restaurants, and it's almost always framed as people, especially younger generations, don't like to drink.
They never seem to bring up the fact that a cocktail is like $20 now unless you go to a really divey dive bar. It's the same kind of reporting they on how no one goes to the movies anymore. It's always about changing habits, and never that movie tickets just cost a lot now.
if global coffee consumption is growing does that mean this is actually changing habits?
my own experience - which his limited of course - is that more and more people (i) don't want the health impact of alcohol, and (ii) find inebriated people boring, bothersome and even a threat
I agree, affordability is a growing challenge, but because coffee consumption is not falling, that means people are choosing away from alcohol
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if global coffee consumption is growing does that mean this is actually changing habits?
my own experience - which his limited of course - is that more and more people (i) don't want the health impact of alcohol, and (ii) find inebriated people boring, bothersome and even a threat
I agree, affordability is a growing challenge, but because coffee consumption is not falling, that means people are choosing away from alcohol
@charlesdelavalleepoussin Youre making a ton of assumptions
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I keep seeing articles like this, about how people choosing to drink less is hurting bars and restaurants, and it's almost always framed as people, especially younger generations, don't like to drink.
They never seem to bring up the fact that a cocktail is like $20 now unless you go to a really divey dive bar. It's the same kind of reporting they on how no one goes to the movies anymore. It's always about changing habits, and never that movie tickets just cost a lot now.
@MLE_online Some restaurants have started adding a “labor surcharge” to the check, often accompanied by a big explanation somewhere on the menu, which all comes across as a backhanded way to build animosity towards minimum wage hikes. Rent is also an escalating cost for restaurants but I’ve yet to see a one collect a landlord surcharge.
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@MLE_online Some restaurants have started adding a “labor surcharge” to the check, often accompanied by a big explanation somewhere on the menu, which all comes across as a backhanded way to build animosity towards minimum wage hikes. Rent is also an escalating cost for restaurants but I’ve yet to see a one collect a landlord surcharge.
@gneilyo Right? Rent for business spaces is crazy high in a lot of cities now, but you never hear them making a stink about that in public
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@charlesdelavalleepoussin Youre making a ton of assumptions
happy to be educated
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happy to be educated
@charlesdelavalleepoussin I don't really feel like it! You've already suggested that people who like drinking are boring and threatening, so this conversation is starting off poorly
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I keep seeing articles like this, about how people choosing to drink less is hurting bars and restaurants, and it's almost always framed as people, especially younger generations, don't like to drink.
They never seem to bring up the fact that a cocktail is like $20 now unless you go to a really divey dive bar. It's the same kind of reporting they on how no one goes to the movies anymore. It's always about changing habits, and never that movie tickets just cost a lot now.
@MLE_online We literally have the same kind of reporting and business owners pinning the blame on everyone else.
Like "oh the city center is dying because you and those damn zoomers are too lazy to come and spend your money in our businesses"
like, what friggin money? And for what? A 10€ pint or a 20€ cocktail?
I'd rather stay home than go all the way there for drinks I can't really afford lol
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@MLE_online I heard an economist lecture where he expressed the "correct" price for a Movie ticket was 'one hour of minimum wage' Basically that was the optimum amount of 'work' someone would do to go to the movies regularly.
@ChuckMcManis @MLE_online@social.afront.orgy that logic the price of a movei should be the same as it was 20 years ago.
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@MLE_online We literally have the same kind of reporting and business owners pinning the blame on everyone else.
Like "oh the city center is dying because you and those damn zoomers are too lazy to come and spend your money in our businesses"
like, what friggin money? And for what? A 10€ pint or a 20€ cocktail?
I'd rather stay home than go all the way there for drinks I can't really afford lol
@miiamustang yea! who can afford that these days!
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@MLE_online Some restaurants have started adding a “labor surcharge” to the check, often accompanied by a big explanation somewhere on the menu, which all comes across as a backhanded way to build animosity towards minimum wage hikes. Rent is also an escalating cost for restaurants but I’ve yet to see a one collect a landlord surcharge.
One time i saw a place write some bullshit like "in order to keep prices low with the increased minimum wage we are adding a 10% labor surcharge to your bill" on their menu.
It was the last time I ate there
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One time i saw a place write some bullshit like "in order to keep prices low with the increased minimum wage we are adding a 10% labor surcharge to your bill" on their menu.
It was the last time I ate there
@gbargoud @MLE_online Right? They don't cry about increases in the price of steak or the gas bill, why this?
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I keep seeing articles like this, about how people choosing to drink less is hurting bars and restaurants, and it's almost always framed as people, especially younger generations, don't like to drink.
They never seem to bring up the fact that a cocktail is like $20 now unless you go to a really divey dive bar. It's the same kind of reporting they on how no one goes to the movies anymore. It's always about changing habits, and never that movie tickets just cost a lot now.
@MLE_online I'm guessing they also don't mention the significant percentage of people who now have long COVID (5-10% of population conservative estimate) of which one of the most common symptoms is alcohol intolerance.
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@gbargoud @MLE_online Right? They don't cry about increases in the price of steak or the gas bill, why this?
@gneilyo @gbargoud They do complain about the price of meat, but only when it's in relation to something like California requiring cows to not be held in steel cages where they' can't turn around for 19 hours a day. They don't complain about the massive meatpacking corporations that are raising the price of meat
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