Aaron Swartz joined the RSS working group when he was 13.
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@DavidM_yeg
Don't waste your prayers on me. There are more worthy causes that deserve attention.All innovation comes from attempts to get over obstacles or to optimise processes.
We're talking about young people. It's okay to encourage them to think and problem solve rather than depriving them of a safe space to practice that skill.
My prayers weren’t for you, they were for the demise of your smug superiority.
I work with children as an educator, there are plenty of challenges in the actual learning, they don’t need extra hurdles to get over, and arguing for such is a symptom of oppressive systems.
ps I will not continue beyond this post, as in my experience people who single me out for ‘side chats’ outside of the thread by eliminating tags are usually bad actors.
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Aaron Swartz joined the RSS working group when he was 13. At 15 he became a foundational member of Creative Commons. He was working on precursors to markdown at 16.
We should not be locking young people out of our communities and keeping them away from digital tools that can open doors for them, expand their knowledge, sharpen their skills, and help them grow into well-rounded adults.
@nathandyer and chances are we won't... Not because the powers that be won't try, just it'll be a minor challange for smart kids to overcome.
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@brouhaha @nathandyer Why couldn't he have been an upstanding citizen like his classmate Sam Altman who has never stolen anything ever.
@arclight @brouhaha @nathandyer Sarcasm acknowledged.
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@arclight @brouhaha @nathandyer Sarcasm acknowledged.
@drwho @brouhaha @nathandyer It still makes me very sad that we have a culture and industry that elevates grifters over the public-minded. It's not just That Darned Capitalism, it's the whole bro coattail-riding Very Opinionated About Technical Minutiae (and Willfully Obtuse About Everything Else) culture that makes up SO and Elon's fanbase.
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@drwho @brouhaha @nathandyer It still makes me very sad that we have a culture and industry that elevates grifters over the public-minded. It's not just That Darned Capitalism, it's the whole bro coattail-riding Very Opinionated About Technical Minutiae (and Willfully Obtuse About Everything Else) culture that makes up SO and Elon's fanbase.
@arclight @brouhaha @nathandyer Myself as well. At the same time, nuance and empathy are considered harmful (if not dangerous).
It makes me sad.
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@nathandyer What young people lack in experience, they more than make up for with passion and amount of free time available to pursue those passions
@lo_fye @nathandyer That lacking experience is actually at least partly a good thing. Less expert-blindness, less copying other folks, less having slowly learned to accept unacceptable things, etc. can have advantages.
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Aaron Swartz joined the RSS working group when he was 13. At 15 he became a foundational member of Creative Commons. He was working on precursors to markdown at 16.
We should not be locking young people out of our communities and keeping them away from digital tools that can open doors for them, expand their knowledge, sharpen their skills, and help them grow into well-rounded adults.
@nathandyer how did that work out for him?
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@schuga @nathandyer why not regulate corporations instead of kids/teens' (and others) freedom then ?
@biyokea @schuga @nathandyer regulating access to customers *is* regulating businesses?
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@biyokea @schuga @nathandyer regulating access to customers *is* regulating businesses?
@mu @schuga @nathandyer sure. I meant regulating the behaviours that make them unsafe/predatory/harmful/... for minors (and everyone else)
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@mu @schuga @nathandyer sure. I meant regulating the behaviours that make them unsafe/predatory/harmful/... for minors (and everyone else)
@biyokea @schuga @nathandyer I don't think that's worked so far, and I'm cynical enough that I think it will be really hard to directly regulate the people that spend hundreds of millions influencing politicians.
I'm open to evidence in the other direction if you have any examples where politicians have regulated big tech in that way.
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Aaron Swartz joined the RSS working group when he was 13. At 15 he became a foundational member of Creative Commons. He was working on precursors to markdown at 16.
We should not be locking young people out of our communities and keeping them away from digital tools that can open doors for them, expand their knowledge, sharpen their skills, and help them grow into well-rounded adults.
@nathandyer one person who ended up hacking chromebooks with us joined the project when he was ~13.
He's currently finishing high-school and his name is all over LKML, I bet he will get a really decent job in the future. Talking and hanging out with him (online due to living half of the globe away) has always been great. -
I don't know why you turn a conversation about an interesting topic into a personal thing.
Are you trying to demonstrate why kids should stay off social media?
@schuga I think you should stay off social media instead of kids being banned from stackoverflow or whatever
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Aaron Swartz joined the RSS working group when he was 13. At 15 he became a foundational member of Creative Commons. He was working on precursors to markdown at 16.
We should not be locking young people out of our communities and keeping them away from digital tools that can open doors for them, expand their knowledge, sharpen their skills, and help them grow into well-rounded adults.
@nathandyer *nodds in agreement*
#AaronSwartz is still a true legend!
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Aaron Swartz joined the RSS working group when he was 13. At 15 he became a foundational member of Creative Commons. He was working on precursors to markdown at 16.
We should not be locking young people out of our communities and keeping them away from digital tools that can open doors for them, expand their knowledge, sharpen their skills, and help them grow into well-rounded adults.
> We should not be locking young people out of our communities and keeping them away from digital tools that can open doors for them
A bit condescending. We should rather ask, which right is there to keep people (maybe also young ones) from digital tools. That's it.
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Aaron Swartz joined the RSS working group when he was 13. At 15 he became a foundational member of Creative Commons. He was working on precursors to markdown at 16.
We should not be locking young people out of our communities and keeping them away from digital tools that can open doors for them, expand their knowledge, sharpen their skills, and help them grow into well-rounded adults.
Aaron Swartz committed suicide. He was under tremendous pressure. I don't blame him. I blame the United States government. But all of his time on screens might not have been the greatest for his psychological health or well-being.
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@nathandyer one person who ended up hacking chromebooks with us joined the project when he was ~13.
He's currently finishing high-school and his name is all over LKML, I bet he will get a really decent job in the future. Talking and hanging out with him (online due to living half of the globe away) has always been great.@elly That's so cool! I look forward to seeing all he accomplishes!
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Somebody will take Aaron as an example for the opposite: "well, if he hadn't had access as a kid, he'd still ne alive." /s
@tschenkel You predicted many of my replies with astonishing precision
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@tschenkel You predicted many of my replies with astonishing precision
Yes, my middle name is "Nobody", as in "Nobody could have predicted".
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Aaron Swartz committed suicide. He was under tremendous pressure. I don't blame him. I blame the United States government. But all of his time on screens might not have been the greatest for his psychological health or well-being.
@FranceskaMann @nathandyer that's a bullshit take if ever I heard one. He was being hounded by the FBI and relentlessly pursued by the attorney general, threatened with 35 years in prison and a million dollars in fines EVEN after JSTOR declined to prosecute so FUCK OFF with your 'screens didn't do him any good' hot take. Jesus.
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Aaron Swartz joined the RSS working group when he was 13. At 15 he became a foundational member of Creative Commons. He was working on precursors to markdown at 16.
We should not be locking young people out of our communities and keeping them away from digital tools that can open doors for them, expand their knowledge, sharpen their skills, and help them grow into well-rounded adults.
@nathandyer
Tell this to all the politicians wanting to "protect the children" while systematically locking down their device. A pathetic excuse to impose #dystopic and #pervasive #technoControl
