Aaron Swartz joined the RSS working group when he was 13.
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Aaron Swartz joined the RSS working group when he was 13. At 15 he became a foundational member of Creative Commons. He was working on precursors to markdown at 16.
We should not be locking young people out of our communities and keeping them away from digital tools that can open doors for them, expand their knowledge, sharpen their skills, and help them grow into well-rounded adults.
Qp @nathandyer y'a que moi qui suis gênée par ce pouet.
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@nathandyer
And especially we shouldn't be charging them with felonies for trivial shit.
@brouhaha @nathandyer Why couldn't he have been an upstanding citizen like his classmate Sam Altman who has never stolen anything ever.
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Aaron Swartz joined the RSS working group when he was 13. At 15 he became a foundational member of Creative Commons. He was working on precursors to markdown at 16.
We should not be locking young people out of our communities and keeping them away from digital tools that can open doors for them, expand their knowledge, sharpen their skills, and help them grow into well-rounded adults.
@nathandyer but what if they use their skills to advocate for youth rights? or find community that affirms them when everyone IRL is hostile toward them? or make me jealous because my environment didn't let me do cool stuff at that age? you ever thought of that? -
Aaron Swartz joined the RSS working group when he was 13. At 15 he became a foundational member of Creative Commons. He was working on precursors to markdown at 16.
We should not be locking young people out of our communities and keeping them away from digital tools that can open doors for them, expand their knowledge, sharpen their skills, and help them grow into well-rounded adults.
I know NOT ONE PERSON agrees with me but
AS hacked JSTOR using MIT's library
MIT told him to stop
He did it a second time, causing JSTOR to block access to all of MIT
he was escorted off campus and told not to come back
but cause he was a rich white kid, no cops
He did it a 3rd time and finally MIT called the copsAS was extremely destructive as at the time digitization was very $ and JSTOR was doing good work
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@nathandyer
I'm not sure about the point of the post.
1. anecdotal evidence is not a solid back up for an argument.
2. I don't think anybody is blocking young people from tinkering at home?
3. Putting hurdles in the way adds motivation to learn or find creative ways how to circumvent them.
4. Big corporations have teams of psychologists convincing people to spend time on their platforms. The assumption that young people are cleverer than them is disrespecting the psychological profession.“3. Putting hurdles in the way adds motivation to learn or find creative ways how to circumvent them.”
Great. Then I pray that someone will come into your life and neighbourhood and start putting up meaningless hurdles so that you too can be motivated to learn and be creative.
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Aaron Swartz joined the RSS working group when he was 13. At 15 he became a foundational member of Creative Commons. He was working on precursors to markdown at 16.
We should not be locking young people out of our communities and keeping them away from digital tools that can open doors for them, expand their knowledge, sharpen their skills, and help them grow into well-rounded adults.
@nathandyer If only Aaron Swartz had had the chance to become a well-rounded adult instead of being hounded to suicide. He would probably be a great mentor now.
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@nathandyer
I agree that we should allow kids access to technology.But Aaron Schwartz of all people never got to grow into a "well-rounded adult" since he killed himself at 26. That's a rather unfortunate choice of words for that particular example.
@rlcw@ecoevo.social @nathandyer@hachyderm.io He did not die because of access to technology, he was killed by those restricting access to their "intellectual property"
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“3. Putting hurdles in the way adds motivation to learn or find creative ways how to circumvent them.”
Great. Then I pray that someone will come into your life and neighbourhood and start putting up meaningless hurdles so that you too can be motivated to learn and be creative.
@DavidM_yeg
Don't waste your prayers on me. There are more worthy causes that deserve attention.All innovation comes from attempts to get over obstacles or to optimise processes.
We're talking about young people. It's okay to encourage them to think and problem solve rather than depriving them of a safe space to practice that skill.
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@brouhaha @nathandyer Why couldn't he have been an upstanding citizen like his classmate Sam Altman who has never stolen anything ever.
@arclight @brouhaha @nathandyer Scathing irony.
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@DavidM_yeg
Don't waste your prayers on me. There are more worthy causes that deserve attention.All innovation comes from attempts to get over obstacles or to optimise processes.
We're talking about young people. It's okay to encourage them to think and problem solve rather than depriving them of a safe space to practice that skill.
My prayers weren’t for you, they were for the demise of your smug superiority.
I work with children as an educator, there are plenty of challenges in the actual learning, they don’t need extra hurdles to get over, and arguing for such is a symptom of oppressive systems.
ps I will not continue beyond this post, as in my experience people who single me out for ‘side chats’ outside of the thread by eliminating tags are usually bad actors.
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Aaron Swartz joined the RSS working group when he was 13. At 15 he became a foundational member of Creative Commons. He was working on precursors to markdown at 16.
We should not be locking young people out of our communities and keeping them away from digital tools that can open doors for them, expand their knowledge, sharpen their skills, and help them grow into well-rounded adults.
@nathandyer and chances are we won't... Not because the powers that be won't try, just it'll be a minor challange for smart kids to overcome.
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@brouhaha @nathandyer Why couldn't he have been an upstanding citizen like his classmate Sam Altman who has never stolen anything ever.
@arclight @brouhaha @nathandyer Sarcasm acknowledged.
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@arclight @brouhaha @nathandyer Sarcasm acknowledged.
@drwho @brouhaha @nathandyer It still makes me very sad that we have a culture and industry that elevates grifters over the public-minded. It's not just That Darned Capitalism, it's the whole bro coattail-riding Very Opinionated About Technical Minutiae (and Willfully Obtuse About Everything Else) culture that makes up SO and Elon's fanbase.
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@drwho @brouhaha @nathandyer It still makes me very sad that we have a culture and industry that elevates grifters over the public-minded. It's not just That Darned Capitalism, it's the whole bro coattail-riding Very Opinionated About Technical Minutiae (and Willfully Obtuse About Everything Else) culture that makes up SO and Elon's fanbase.
@arclight @brouhaha @nathandyer Myself as well. At the same time, nuance and empathy are considered harmful (if not dangerous).
It makes me sad.
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@nathandyer What young people lack in experience, they more than make up for with passion and amount of free time available to pursue those passions
@lo_fye @nathandyer That lacking experience is actually at least partly a good thing. Less expert-blindness, less copying other folks, less having slowly learned to accept unacceptable things, etc. can have advantages.
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Aaron Swartz joined the RSS working group when he was 13. At 15 he became a foundational member of Creative Commons. He was working on precursors to markdown at 16.
We should not be locking young people out of our communities and keeping them away from digital tools that can open doors for them, expand their knowledge, sharpen their skills, and help them grow into well-rounded adults.
@nathandyer how did that work out for him?
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@schuga @nathandyer why not regulate corporations instead of kids/teens' (and others) freedom then ?
@biyokea @schuga @nathandyer regulating access to customers *is* regulating businesses?
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@biyokea @schuga @nathandyer regulating access to customers *is* regulating businesses?
@mu @schuga @nathandyer sure. I meant regulating the behaviours that make them unsafe/predatory/harmful/... for minors (and everyone else)
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@mu @schuga @nathandyer sure. I meant regulating the behaviours that make them unsafe/predatory/harmful/... for minors (and everyone else)
@biyokea @schuga @nathandyer I don't think that's worked so far, and I'm cynical enough that I think it will be really hard to directly regulate the people that spend hundreds of millions influencing politicians.
I'm open to evidence in the other direction if you have any examples where politicians have regulated big tech in that way.
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Aaron Swartz joined the RSS working group when he was 13. At 15 he became a foundational member of Creative Commons. He was working on precursors to markdown at 16.
We should not be locking young people out of our communities and keeping them away from digital tools that can open doors for them, expand their knowledge, sharpen their skills, and help them grow into well-rounded adults.
@nathandyer one person who ended up hacking chromebooks with us joined the project when he was ~13.
He's currently finishing high-school and his name is all over LKML, I bet he will get a really decent job in the future. Talking and hanging out with him (online due to living half of the globe away) has always been great.
