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  • erikwesselius@mastodon.socialE erikwesselius@mastodon.social

    @paulk Ik lees in het artikel dat de AI-componenten uitgezet kunnen worden. Ik vind het een slecht idee om AI in LibreOffice te integreren, maar in deze vorm vind ik het voorlopig acceptabel. Ik werk al sinds 2011 met LibreOffice. Daarvoor gebruikte ik OpenOffice, waarvan LibreOffice een vork was. Misschien komt er nu een AI-vrije vork.

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    @erikwesselius Ik hoop dat het uit te schakelen is, als het komt. Ik zit ook niet op die onzin te wachten.

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    • paulk@writing.exchangeP paulk@writing.exchange

      Edit: It will be through extensions, apparently. I'm safe for now.

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      LibreOffice will stick ai tools in an upcoming release. Do we know of office suites (running on Linux) that do not have artificial idiots in their roadmap?

      Alternatively I will stick with the version I'm running now.

      #Noai #Libreoffice

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      @paulk Is this article hallucinated by AI? The LibreOffice version numbers end in .2 and .8 (ie, released in February and August). 26.4 doesn’t exist. All discussions I’ve seen about integrating AI have always been very negative and the conclusion is that we should leave that up to optional extensions.

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      • ashwin@defcon.socialA ashwin@defcon.social

        @paulk

        You are kidding! Pretty sure there will be an AI free fork of it soon.

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        @ashwin If I am kidding, LinuxJournal is also kidding.

        "One of the biggest additions connected to LibreOffice 26.4 Beta is expanded support for AI-assisted writing tools through integrations such as WritingTool, an open-source LibreOffice extension designed to enhance editing workflows."

        Looks like it's optional.

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        • bpeel@tech.lgbtB bpeel@tech.lgbt

          @paulk Is this article hallucinated by AI? The LibreOffice version numbers end in .2 and .8 (ie, released in February and August). 26.4 doesn’t exist. All discussions I’ve seen about integrating AI have always been very negative and the conclusion is that we should leave that up to optional extensions.

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          @bpeel I don't know. It's mentioned on LinuxJournal.

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          • paulk@writing.exchangeP paulk@writing.exchange

            @erikwesselius Ik hoop dat het uit te schakelen is, als het komt. Ik zit ook niet op die onzin te wachten.

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            @erikwesselius
            "One of the biggest additions connected to LibreOffice 26.4 Beta is expanded support for AI-assisted writing tools through integrations such as WritingTool, an open-source LibreOffice extension designed to enhance editing workflows."

            Het schijnt optioneel te zijn. Gelukkig.

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            • paulk@writing.exchangeP paulk@writing.exchange

              @erikwesselius Ik hoop dat het uit te schakelen is, als het komt. Ik zit ook niet op die onzin te wachten.

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              @paulk Zo te lezen is het uit te zetten, net als in Firefox. Maar het toepassen van AI is een verontrustende trend.

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              • erikwesselius@mastodon.socialE erikwesselius@mastodon.social

                @paulk Zo te lezen is het uit te zetten, net als in Firefox. Maar het toepassen van AI is een verontrustende trend.

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                @erikwesselius En het verschijnt overal. Als het 'vereenvoudigen van tekst' als een speerpunt wordt genoemd, is dat wederom een indicatie dat de mensheid dommer moet worden.
                Mijn vriendin is lerares op een gymnasium, en zij klaagt er steen en been over. Alles is crapgpt en 'maak dat eens wat eenvoudiger'.

                Dat plus de ontlezing is zo'n slechte zaak...

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                • paulk@writing.exchangeP paulk@writing.exchange

                  @erikwesselius En het verschijnt overal. Als het 'vereenvoudigen van tekst' als een speerpunt wordt genoemd, is dat wederom een indicatie dat de mensheid dommer moet worden.
                  Mijn vriendin is lerares op een gymnasium, en zij klaagt er steen en been over. Alles is crapgpt en 'maak dat eens wat eenvoudiger'.

                  Dat plus de ontlezing is zo'n slechte zaak...

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                  @paulk @erikwesselius eens met de zorgen en de attitude richting AI; maar ook weer niet ALLE AI is per sé evil, ik heb Deepl vertaling al wel eens getest geïntegreerd in LibreOffice, ook dat is in principe een vorm van AI, ik moet dan dus eigenlijk DeepL vertrouwen, want dat zet de teksten om van taal naar taal (bij Google Translate niet anders, maar doe mij dan maar DeepL)

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                  • zandbelt@mastodon.nlZ zandbelt@mastodon.nl

                    @paulk @erikwesselius eens met de zorgen en de attitude richting AI; maar ook weer niet ALLE AI is per sé evil, ik heb Deepl vertaling al wel eens getest geïntegreerd in LibreOffice, ook dat is in principe een vorm van AI, ik moet dan dus eigenlijk DeepL vertrouwen, want dat zet de teksten om van taal naar taal (bij Google Translate niet anders, maar doe mij dan maar DeepL)

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                    @zandbelt Zeker. Predictive ai helpt bv met het vinden van behandelingen en zo. Ik gebruik deepl ook wel eens. Alles 'google' raak ik met geen geïsoleerde stok aan.

                    @erikwesselius

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                    • paulk@writing.exchangeP paulk@writing.exchange

                      @zandbelt Zeker. Predictive ai helpt bv met het vinden van behandelingen en zo. Ik gebruik deepl ook wel eens. Alles 'google' raak ik met geen geïsoleerde stok aan.

                      @erikwesselius

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                      @paulk @erikwesselius schijnt dat de betaalde versie van DeepL (itt de gratis versie) ook nog wel behoorlijk beveiligd is (niet dat ik nou spannende dingen typ hoor hihi)

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                      • zandbelt@mastodon.nlZ zandbelt@mastodon.nl

                        @paulk @erikwesselius schijnt dat de betaalde versie van DeepL (itt de gratis versie) ook nog wel behoorlijk beveiligd is (niet dat ik nou spannende dingen typ hoor hihi)

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                        @paulk @erikwesselius dit zeggen ze er zelf over bij vergelijk pakketten API Free versus API Pro (dus heel kort zijn de data natuurlijk toch ergens, voor processing)

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                        • zandbelt@mastodon.nlZ zandbelt@mastodon.nl

                          @paulk @erikwesselius dit zeggen ze er zelf over bij vergelijk pakketten API Free versus API Pro (dus heel kort zijn de data natuurlijk toch ergens, voor processing)

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                          @zandbelt Tijdelijke opslag kan niet missen. Het moet ergens staan om te worden verwerkt, al is het maar een paar seconden. Da's in elk geval wel erg netjes gemeld zo. Ik heb een betaalde deepl-versie gehad om te testen, maar ik doe er niet genoeg mee om het bedrag te rechtvaardigen.

                          @erikwesselius

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                          • paulk@writing.exchangeP paulk@writing.exchange

                            @zandbelt Tijdelijke opslag kan niet missen. Het moet ergens staan om te worden verwerkt, al is het maar een paar seconden. Da's in elk geval wel erg netjes gemeld zo. Ik heb een betaalde deepl-versie gehad om te testen, maar ik doe er niet genoeg mee om het bedrag te rechtvaardigen.

                            @erikwesselius

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                            @paulk @erikwesselius voor mij idem, daarom vooralsnog de Free versie die ik ook echt maar zelden gebruik, op mijn telefoon gebruik ik DeepL en in de webbrowser ook, dus toots in onbekende buitenlandse taal heb ik dan met DeepL optie om te vertalen (ipv Google Translate)

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                            • paulk@writing.exchangeP paulk@writing.exchange

                              Edit: It will be through extensions, apparently. I'm safe for now.

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                              LibreOffice 26.4 Beta Experiments with AI Writing Features and Smarter Editing Tools | Linux Journal

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                              LibreOffice will stick ai tools in an upcoming release. Do we know of office suites (running on Linux) that do not have artificial idiots in their roadmap?

                              Alternatively I will stick with the version I'm running now.

                              #Noai #Libreoffice

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                              @paulk This article is incorrect. There is no such thing as "LibreOffice 26.4 beta". And LibreOffice is not "introducing AI" in any way. Some community members are working on optional, separate extensions but that's another matter.

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                              • ashwin@defcon.socialA ashwin@defcon.social

                                @paulk

                                You are kidding! Pretty sure there will be an AI free fork of it soon.

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                                @ashwin @paulk There's no need for any fork because the article is misleading. First, there is no such thing at all as "LibreOffice 26.4 beta". The next major release will be LibreOffice 26.8, due to go into beta in early June. So the article author just invented that, apparently.

                                And LibreOffice is not "introducing AI" into the software. There are no plans to put AI in LibreOffice. Some people are working on optional extensions.

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                                • libreoffice@fosstodon.orgL libreoffice@fosstodon.org

                                  @paulk This article is incorrect. There is no such thing as "LibreOffice 26.4 beta". And LibreOffice is not "introducing AI" in any way. Some community members are working on optional, separate extensions but that's another matter.

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                                  @libreoffice Thank you for correcting this. How odd that LinuxJournal reported on this.

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                                  • libreoffice@fosstodon.orgL libreoffice@fosstodon.org

                                    @ashwin @paulk There's no need for any fork because the article is misleading. First, there is no such thing at all as "LibreOffice 26.4 beta". The next major release will be LibreOffice 26.8, due to go into beta in early June. So the article author just invented that, apparently.

                                    And LibreOffice is not "introducing AI" into the software. There are no plans to put AI in LibreOffice. Some people are working on optional extensions.

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                                    @libreoffice @ashwin @paulk very glad to hear this! i am completely unimpressed with everyone making LLM plugins for emacs, but emacs itself continues to ensure it can be trusted by experts for decades of reliable usage. i'm glad to hear libreoffice's extension API is powerful enough to allow this (although an LLM plugin is basically the hello world of plugins).

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                                    • hipsterelectron@circumstances.runH hipsterelectron@circumstances.run

                                      @libreoffice @ashwin @paulk very glad to hear this! i am completely unimpressed with everyone making LLM plugins for emacs, but emacs itself continues to ensure it can be trusted by experts for decades of reliable usage. i'm glad to hear libreoffice's extension API is powerful enough to allow this (although an LLM plugin is basically the hello world of plugins).

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                                      @libreoffice @ashwin @paulk is there a single "extension API" for libreoffice, or do specific tools like writer have their own extension APIs?

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                                      • bpeel@tech.lgbtB bpeel@tech.lgbt

                                        @paulk Is this article hallucinated by AI? The LibreOffice version numbers end in .2 and .8 (ie, released in February and August). 26.4 doesn’t exist. All discussions I’ve seen about integrating AI have always been very negative and the conclusion is that we should leave that up to optional extensions.

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                                        @bpeel @paulk This was exactly my idea, especially as I read the corrections made here in comments by @libreoffice
                                        The author of this article perhaps looked too deep into an,LLM to write it.

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                                        • paulk@writing.exchangeP paulk@writing.exchange

                                          @libreoffice Thank you for correcting this. How odd that LinuxJournal reported on this.

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                                          @paulk Yes. We're very surprised too...

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