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I think it’s absurd to say we need to “get past the idea that AI is inherently bad”

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  • benricem@mastodon.socialB benricem@mastodon.social

    I think it’s absurd to say we need to “get past the idea that AI is inherently bad”

    AI *is* inherently bad because it’s trained on stolen work, consolidates power to a handful of billionaires with, let’s say less than stellar morals, and is hijacking resources like clean water and electricity

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    @BenRiceM It would be good to click the bsky link and have it open in Indigo 😀

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    • jamesthomson@mastodon.socialJ jamesthomson@mastodon.social

      @BenRiceM I can’t get past the “it makes us stupid, and reinforces our worst impulses” part as well.

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      @jamesthomson I think a lot of tools can make us lazy. Calculators, for example 😜

      But that doesn’t mean we should never use them. Just use them when appropriate and don’t forget how to live without them if they can be rescinded without warning

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      • benricem@mastodon.socialB benricem@mastodon.social

        I think it’s absurd to say we need to “get past the idea that AI is inherently bad”

        AI *is* inherently bad because it’s trained on stolen work, consolidates power to a handful of billionaires with, let’s say less than stellar morals, and is hijacking resources like clean water and electricity

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        @BenRiceM maybe the ends does justify the means!

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        • benricem@mastodon.socialB benricem@mastodon.social

          I think it’s absurd to say we need to “get past the idea that AI is inherently bad”

          AI *is* inherently bad because it’s trained on stolen work, consolidates power to a handful of billionaires with, let’s say less than stellar morals, and is hijacking resources like clean water and electricity

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          @BenRiceM
          It's mostly the same people who want us to get past the idea that genocide is inherently bad.

          It's not absurd in their world view, they just think that the things we regard as a functioning society gets in the way of them owning everything including us.

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          • benricem@mastodon.socialB benricem@mastodon.social

            @jamesthomson I think a lot of tools can make us lazy. Calculators, for example 😜

            But that doesn’t mean we should never use them. Just use them when appropriate and don’t forget how to live without them if they can be rescinded without warning

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            @BenRiceM I think "when appropriate" is doing a lot of work there 🙂

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            • benricem@mastodon.socialB benricem@mastodon.social

              @jamesthomson I think a lot of tools can make us lazy. Calculators, for example 😜

              But that doesn’t mean we should never use them. Just use them when appropriate and don’t forget how to live without them if they can be rescinded without warning

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              @BenRiceM @jamesthomson I put blame for all the worlds problems on calculators and dice simulators TBH

              In all seriousness, I compare AI to uranium/plutonium. Used in very specific use cases it can be powerful and in most all others very, very dangerous.

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              • jargoonco@mastodon.onlineJ jargoonco@mastodon.online

                @BenRiceM @jamesthomson I put blame for all the worlds problems on calculators and dice simulators TBH

                In all seriousness, I compare AI to uranium/plutonium. Used in very specific use cases it can be powerful and in most all others very, very dangerous.

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                @Jargoonco @BenRiceM We're still firmly in our “let's put it in our glassware” era.

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                • jargoonco@mastodon.onlineJ jargoonco@mastodon.online

                  @BenRiceM @jamesthomson I put blame for all the worlds problems on calculators and dice simulators TBH

                  In all seriousness, I compare AI to uranium/plutonium. Used in very specific use cases it can be powerful and in most all others very, very dangerous.

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                  @Jargoonco @BenRiceM @jamesthomson Can you imagine being so lazy that you can’t even roll your own dice? ◡̈

                  I get really sad when I see writers using AI generated art. It’s like they’re missing the message.

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                  • jamesthomson@mastodon.socialJ jamesthomson@mastodon.social

                    @Jargoonco @BenRiceM We're still firmly in our “let's put it in our glassware” era.

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                    @jamesthomson @Jargoonco @BenRiceM “the new fluffy teddy bear with a battery life that last generations!”

                    “Flame and stain resistant, waterproof!”

                    “A family heirloom! Your grand grand kids will play with it too!”

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                    • benricem@mastodon.socialB benricem@mastodon.social

                      AI can be useful, sure. It can simplify complex tasks, understand natural language in ways we‘ve only dreamed of for decades.

                      But it’s still inherently bad in the way that chopping down forests to build a motorway is inherently bad, even if it means you get Amazon deliveries faster

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                      @BenRiceM the disconnect at my job is so real. People are so proud of themselves that they let copilot summarize their email and get borderline aggressive if you dare to point out any downside of AI.

                      Many people feel that it doesn’t affect or marginalizes them directly so they don’t care

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                      • jamesthomson@mastodon.socialJ jamesthomson@mastodon.social

                        @BenRiceM I can’t get past the “it makes us stupid, and reinforces our worst impulses” part as well.

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                        @jamesthomson @BenRiceM hmm. "… reinforces our worst impulses."

                        I think that can also be reframed as: "validates our worst impulses." In which case, I can see why LLMs catch on in some really creepy and anti-social circles. 😥

                        #artificialSycophants

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