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Listening to cybersecurity people freak out over Mythos is so tiring.

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  • malwaretech@infosec.exchangeM malwaretech@infosec.exchange

    Listening to cybersecurity people freak out over Mythos is so tiring. Like, bro, your local water treatment plant runs Windows XP, your mobile provider's hardware is older than you are, and the protocol that routes internet traffic is secured by everyone just agreeing that hijacking it would be uncool.

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    nanianmichaels@tech.lgbt
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    @malwaretech My current workplace has Windows 9x machines still in active use. And they're on a network with Internet access. Same with the XP ones. And by the looks of it, there will be HUNDREDS of W10 machines that will be in use well after October this year (in the EU, so we're still covered).

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    • malwaretech@infosec.exchangeM malwaretech@infosec.exchange

      Listening to cybersecurity people freak out over Mythos is so tiring. Like, bro, your local water treatment plant runs Windows XP, your mobile provider's hardware is older than you are, and the protocol that routes internet traffic is secured by everyone just agreeing that hijacking it would be uncool.

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      reiddragon@fedi.catto.garden
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      @malwaretech can we also talk about how card payments are basically handing your wallet to the store and trusting them to only take what they're owed?
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      • eliasp@mastodon.socialE eliasp@mastodon.social

        @sancla but instead of investing in the maintainers of OpenSource projects, so they can work on security, instead of focusing on building more resilient infrastructure, the capital made available to improve security will be put into deploying AI-driven endpoint security and DLP tools and to hire "security experts" whose sole skill is tokenmaxxing and role-playing as cyberdefense-pro!

        @malwaretech

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        @eliasp @malwaretech
        Most like yes, but either way focus is getting stronger on supply chains.

        Hopefully, it’ll get companies depending on open source scratching their heads abut this and get them more involved into open source.

        Then again, corporate involvement may not always be the best influence for open source, time will tell and fingers crossed…

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        • sancla@infosec.exchangeS sancla@infosec.exchange

          @malwaretech I don’t care, if this puts security back on the agenda, I’ll take it…

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          @sancla @malwaretech This is like the dozen or so times before it when dudes in the C-suite have gone all-in on some hype technology, product, or cyberattack instead of doing basic things like vulnerability and patch management. This kind of “agenda” we don’t need.

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          • malwaretech@infosec.exchangeM malwaretech@infosec.exchange

            Listening to cybersecurity people freak out over Mythos is so tiring. Like, bro, your local water treatment plant runs Windows XP, your mobile provider's hardware is older than you are, and the protocol that routes internet traffic is secured by everyone just agreeing that hijacking it would be uncool.

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            @malwaretech I work in a large company that was hacked last year. Many modern systems were compromised. The RS6000 box and several of our ancient mainframes were untouched and weren't even turned off during the lockdown or recovery. Gave them a quick once over and they kept ticking like it was 1999.

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            • gsuberland@chaos.socialG gsuberland@chaos.social

              @floe @malwaretech you know it's great when you walk into the place and someone immediately hands you a piece of paper with both the IP address and MAC address of this thing and says "do not send ANYTHING to this machine, we are terrified of breaking it"

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              @gsuberland @floe @malwaretech And two days later the hired tiger team launched a full vulnerability scan against it … because … tiger team manager did not communicate. Banking system down for a few days…

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              • malwaretech@infosec.exchangeM malwaretech@infosec.exchange

                Listening to cybersecurity people freak out over Mythos is so tiring. Like, bro, your local water treatment plant runs Windows XP, your mobile provider's hardware is older than you are, and the protocol that routes internet traffic is secured by everyone just agreeing that hijacking it would be uncool.

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                @malwaretech until recently, all ATMs ran a crazy version of Windows XP and now they run a crazy "IoT" version of Windows 11. Instead, of, say, something like SELinux. Something halfway sane.

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                • malwaretech@infosec.exchangeM malwaretech@infosec.exchange

                  Listening to cybersecurity people freak out over Mythos is so tiring. Like, bro, your local water treatment plant runs Windows XP, your mobile provider's hardware is older than you are, and the protocol that routes internet traffic is secured by everyone just agreeing that hijacking it would be uncool.

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                  @malwaretech I think it would be kinda cool.

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                  • malwaretech@infosec.exchangeM malwaretech@infosec.exchange

                    Listening to cybersecurity people freak out over Mythos is so tiring. Like, bro, your local water treatment plant runs Windows XP, your mobile provider's hardware is older than you are, and the protocol that routes internet traffic is secured by everyone just agreeing that hijacking it would be uncool.

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                    simonzerafa@infosec.exchange
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                    @malwaretech

                    Well only hijack / hack mobile connection when it's really necessary like when your princess has escaped and you want to kidnap her back.

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                    • malwaretech@infosec.exchangeM malwaretech@infosec.exchange

                      Listening to cybersecurity people freak out over Mythos is so tiring. Like, bro, your local water treatment plant runs Windows XP, your mobile provider's hardware is older than you are, and the protocol that routes internet traffic is secured by everyone just agreeing that hijacking it would be uncool.

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                      @malwaretech And your company CEO's password is password.

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                      • malwaretech@infosec.exchangeM malwaretech@infosec.exchange

                        Listening to cybersecurity people freak out over Mythos is so tiring. Like, bro, your local water treatment plant runs Windows XP, your mobile provider's hardware is older than you are, and the protocol that routes internet traffic is secured by everyone just agreeing that hijacking it would be uncool.

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                        @malwaretech@infosec.exchange It's awesome everyone focuses on new exploits and zero-day attacks while their company's leaders will just blithely follow any link in an e-mail sent to them.

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                        • nav@mstdn.socialN nav@mstdn.social

                          @malwaretech I think you underestimate how ancient some of us are. I'm definitely older than anything my mobile provider owns, cos I'm older than the industry.

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                          @nav @malwaretech

                          Indeed, all us fossils live here on Mastodon, it's the only social media we can still stand.

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                          • malwaretech@infosec.exchangeM malwaretech@infosec.exchange

                            Listening to cybersecurity people freak out over Mythos is so tiring. Like, bro, your local water treatment plant runs Windows XP, your mobile provider's hardware is older than you are, and the protocol that routes internet traffic is secured by everyone just agreeing that hijacking it would be uncool.

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                            wouter@maly.io
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                            @malwaretech excellent point.

                            A lot of infrastructure runs outdated software.

                            But thankfully, most of these systems are not connected to the internet.

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                            • malwaretech@infosec.exchangeM malwaretech@infosec.exchange

                              Listening to cybersecurity people freak out over Mythos is so tiring. Like, bro, your local water treatment plant runs Windows XP, your mobile provider's hardware is older than you are, and the protocol that routes internet traffic is secured by everyone just agreeing that hijacking it would be uncool.

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                              drwho@masto.hackers.town
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                              @malwaretech Can I quote you on that?

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                              • steff@soc.femme.catS steff@soc.femme.cat

                                @malwaretech@infosec.exchange It's awesome everyone focuses on new exploits and zero-day attacks while their company's leaders will just blithely follow any link in an e-mail sent to them.

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                                @steff @malwaretech And all six hundred AWS instances have port 22/tcpb exposed on public IP addresses, and use password authentication.

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                                • malwaretech@infosec.exchangeM malwaretech@infosec.exchange

                                  Listening to cybersecurity people freak out over Mythos is so tiring. Like, bro, your local water treatment plant runs Windows XP, your mobile provider's hardware is older than you are, and the protocol that routes internet traffic is secured by everyone just agreeing that hijacking it would be uncool.

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                                  @malwaretech That's the new meta strategy man. When the execs ask "What are you doing to protect against mythos?!" Just pull out the OWASP top ten.

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                                  • W wouter@maly.io

                                    @malwaretech excellent point.

                                    A lot of infrastructure runs outdated software.

                                    But thankfully, most of these systems are not connected to the internet.

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                                    @Wouter @malwaretech If only that were true.

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                                    • malwaretech@infosec.exchangeM malwaretech@infosec.exchange

                                      Listening to cybersecurity people freak out over Mythos is so tiring. Like, bro, your local water treatment plant runs Windows XP, your mobile provider's hardware is older than you are, and the protocol that routes internet traffic is secured by everyone just agreeing that hijacking it would be uncool.

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                                      @malwaretech I think you're right about the hype level but I think there is something to the idea that all of the places which were gambling on obscurity as their primary defense are probably going to find that strategy looks even worse.

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                                      • malwaretech@infosec.exchangeM malwaretech@infosec.exchange

                                        Listening to cybersecurity people freak out over Mythos is so tiring. Like, bro, your local water treatment plant runs Windows XP, your mobile provider's hardware is older than you are, and the protocol that routes internet traffic is secured by everyone just agreeing that hijacking it would be uncool.

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                                        @malwaretech The Internet being held together by string and bubble gum is not far from the truth.

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                                        • malwaretech@infosec.exchangeM malwaretech@infosec.exchange

                                          Listening to cybersecurity people freak out over Mythos is so tiring. Like, bro, your local water treatment plant runs Windows XP, your mobile provider's hardware is older than you are, and the protocol that routes internet traffic is secured by everyone just agreeing that hijacking it would be uncool.

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                                          @malwaretech so true

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