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Listening to cybersecurity people freak out over Mythos is so tiring.

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  • malwaretech@infosec.exchangeM malwaretech@infosec.exchange

    Listening to cybersecurity people freak out over Mythos is so tiring. Like, bro, your local water treatment plant runs Windows XP, your mobile provider's hardware is older than you are, and the protocol that routes internet traffic is secured by everyone just agreeing that hijacking it would be uncool.

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    @malwaretech until recently, all ATMs ran a crazy version of Windows XP and now they run a crazy "IoT" version of Windows 11. Instead, of, say, something like SELinux. Something halfway sane.

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    • malwaretech@infosec.exchangeM malwaretech@infosec.exchange

      Listening to cybersecurity people freak out over Mythos is so tiring. Like, bro, your local water treatment plant runs Windows XP, your mobile provider's hardware is older than you are, and the protocol that routes internet traffic is secured by everyone just agreeing that hijacking it would be uncool.

      rrb@infosec.exchangeR This user is from outside of this forum
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      @malwaretech I think it would be kinda cool.

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      • malwaretech@infosec.exchangeM malwaretech@infosec.exchange

        Listening to cybersecurity people freak out over Mythos is so tiring. Like, bro, your local water treatment plant runs Windows XP, your mobile provider's hardware is older than you are, and the protocol that routes internet traffic is secured by everyone just agreeing that hijacking it would be uncool.

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        @malwaretech

        Well only hijack / hack mobile connection when it's really necessary like when your princess has escaped and you want to kidnap her back.

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        • malwaretech@infosec.exchangeM malwaretech@infosec.exchange

          Listening to cybersecurity people freak out over Mythos is so tiring. Like, bro, your local water treatment plant runs Windows XP, your mobile provider's hardware is older than you are, and the protocol that routes internet traffic is secured by everyone just agreeing that hijacking it would be uncool.

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          @malwaretech And your company CEO's password is password.

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          • malwaretech@infosec.exchangeM malwaretech@infosec.exchange

            Listening to cybersecurity people freak out over Mythos is so tiring. Like, bro, your local water treatment plant runs Windows XP, your mobile provider's hardware is older than you are, and the protocol that routes internet traffic is secured by everyone just agreeing that hijacking it would be uncool.

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            @malwaretech@infosec.exchange It's awesome everyone focuses on new exploits and zero-day attacks while their company's leaders will just blithely follow any link in an e-mail sent to them.

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            • nav@mstdn.socialN nav@mstdn.social

              @malwaretech I think you underestimate how ancient some of us are. I'm definitely older than anything my mobile provider owns, cos I'm older than the industry.

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              @nav @malwaretech

              Indeed, all us fossils live here on Mastodon, it's the only social media we can still stand.

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              • malwaretech@infosec.exchangeM malwaretech@infosec.exchange

                Listening to cybersecurity people freak out over Mythos is so tiring. Like, bro, your local water treatment plant runs Windows XP, your mobile provider's hardware is older than you are, and the protocol that routes internet traffic is secured by everyone just agreeing that hijacking it would be uncool.

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                @malwaretech excellent point.

                A lot of infrastructure runs outdated software.

                But thankfully, most of these systems are not connected to the internet.

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                • malwaretech@infosec.exchangeM malwaretech@infosec.exchange

                  Listening to cybersecurity people freak out over Mythos is so tiring. Like, bro, your local water treatment plant runs Windows XP, your mobile provider's hardware is older than you are, and the protocol that routes internet traffic is secured by everyone just agreeing that hijacking it would be uncool.

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                  @malwaretech Can I quote you on that?

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                  • steff@soc.femme.catS steff@soc.femme.cat

                    @malwaretech@infosec.exchange It's awesome everyone focuses on new exploits and zero-day attacks while their company's leaders will just blithely follow any link in an e-mail sent to them.

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                    @steff @malwaretech And all six hundred AWS instances have port 22/tcpb exposed on public IP addresses, and use password authentication.

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                    • malwaretech@infosec.exchangeM malwaretech@infosec.exchange

                      Listening to cybersecurity people freak out over Mythos is so tiring. Like, bro, your local water treatment plant runs Windows XP, your mobile provider's hardware is older than you are, and the protocol that routes internet traffic is secured by everyone just agreeing that hijacking it would be uncool.

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                      @malwaretech That's the new meta strategy man. When the execs ask "What are you doing to protect against mythos?!" Just pull out the OWASP top ten.

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                      • W wouter@maly.io

                        @malwaretech excellent point.

                        A lot of infrastructure runs outdated software.

                        But thankfully, most of these systems are not connected to the internet.

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                        @Wouter @malwaretech If only that were true.

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                        • malwaretech@infosec.exchangeM malwaretech@infosec.exchange

                          Listening to cybersecurity people freak out over Mythos is so tiring. Like, bro, your local water treatment plant runs Windows XP, your mobile provider's hardware is older than you are, and the protocol that routes internet traffic is secured by everyone just agreeing that hijacking it would be uncool.

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                          @malwaretech I think you're right about the hype level but I think there is something to the idea that all of the places which were gambling on obscurity as their primary defense are probably going to find that strategy looks even worse.

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                          • malwaretech@infosec.exchangeM malwaretech@infosec.exchange

                            Listening to cybersecurity people freak out over Mythos is so tiring. Like, bro, your local water treatment plant runs Windows XP, your mobile provider's hardware is older than you are, and the protocol that routes internet traffic is secured by everyone just agreeing that hijacking it would be uncool.

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                            @malwaretech The Internet being held together by string and bubble gum is not far from the truth.

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                            • malwaretech@infosec.exchangeM malwaretech@infosec.exchange

                              Listening to cybersecurity people freak out over Mythos is so tiring. Like, bro, your local water treatment plant runs Windows XP, your mobile provider's hardware is older than you are, and the protocol that routes internet traffic is secured by everyone just agreeing that hijacking it would be uncool.

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                              @malwaretech so true

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                              • drwho@masto.hackers.townD drwho@masto.hackers.town

                                @Wouter @malwaretech If only that were true.

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                                @drwho @malwaretech
                                That is a problem from a cybersecurity standpoint.

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                                • W wouter@maly.io

                                  @drwho @malwaretech
                                  That is a problem from a cybersecurity standpoint.

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                                  @Wouter @malwaretech No kidding. The entire community has been lamenting this for two decades now.

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                                  • malwaretech@infosec.exchangeM malwaretech@infosec.exchange

                                    Listening to cybersecurity people freak out over Mythos is so tiring. Like, bro, your local water treatment plant runs Windows XP, your mobile provider's hardware is older than you are, and the protocol that routes internet traffic is secured by everyone just agreeing that hijacking it would be uncool.

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                                    @malwaretech

                                    Fuck Mythos and marketing bullshit, but AI that immensely reduces time-to-exploit is real. Companies are not prepared for it.

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                                    • sancla@infosec.exchangeS sancla@infosec.exchange

                                      @eliasp @malwaretech
                                      Most like yes, but either way focus is getting stronger on supply chains.

                                      Hopefully, it’ll get companies depending on open source scratching their heads abut this and get them more involved into open source.

                                      Then again, corporate involvement may not always be the best influence for open source, time will tell and fingers crossed…

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                                      @sancla @eliasp @malwaretech it will get lots of companies drop some of their open source tools/libraries for proprietary ones, where they can then shift the blame onto some other company when things go south.

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                                      • mossyfoot@pdx.socialM mossyfoot@pdx.social

                                        @malwaretech until recently, all ATMs ran a crazy version of Windows XP and now they run a crazy "IoT" version of Windows 11. Instead, of, say, something like SELinux. Something halfway sane.

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                                        @mossyfoot @malwaretech As recently as this week, I used an ATM which had that "please activate Windows" watermark visible in the corner of the screen. (At least the other bank AFAIK uses Linux for its ATMs, replacing the OS/2 they used previously.)

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                                        • malwaretech@infosec.exchangeM malwaretech@infosec.exchange

                                          Listening to cybersecurity people freak out over Mythos is so tiring. Like, bro, your local water treatment plant runs Windows XP, your mobile provider's hardware is older than you are, and the protocol that routes internet traffic is secured by everyone just agreeing that hijacking it would be uncool.

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                                          @malwaretech be fair! We secured BGP with lots of crypto, but then left an XSS exploit in the crypto control panel allowing your entire network to get de-routed with one mis-click. https://mxsasha.eu/posts/ripe-ncc-rpki-exploit-chain/

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