Car just drove by and one of the guys in it made the 🐈👅 gesture out the window at me.
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@spiegelmama @Aprazeth ugh, the fact that I need to footnote things whenever I address or mention men¹ is evidence that men²³ are the problem⁴.
¹ not all men
² usually white men
³ not all white men
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@rbphotographic @alice I play a GPS game where I bike to zones IRL, stand still for 15 seconds and then rush to the next. My problem is that it's a very common jogging route and when I start passing the same woman the second time I'm getting a bit uneasy since I know how it looks... Luckily the forest is full of sidetracks and lately there is new zones popping up so it's possible to choose different routes. Earlier I just took a break while planning a new route.
@rbphotographic I'm out a lot in the area since the zones are everywhere and so far I haven't seen a single bad behaviour against women. I know it happens because it has been a couple of cases on the news that ended up in court for assult but I have never witnessed even a whistle after a woman so I guess we are lucky here.
I have also been working in industry jobs that are notorious for it but there was nothing there either. But we northerners are known for being standoffish I guess
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@alice Are you addressing *all* "guys"? I'm a "guy", but neither do I drive an insult on four wheels (also called "car"), nor am I single.
The shame of being a "human being" is enough already!
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@sebastian Others have addressed the more substantive and important points, but I want to add that "y'all" is not the same as "all". It's a reference in general to a group.
"All men are silly"
and
"Men, y'all are silly"are two different sentences with entirely different meanings.
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@alice @spiegelmama @Aprazeth Mike Harriot has a pretty good way of shutting up the "not all men" or the "not all white people" crowd.
Paraphrasing, if I say "Elephants trampled my grandma to death," it would be idiotic to say "Well not ALL elephants trampled your memaw!" And that's true. It wasn't all elephants; it was elephants. I'm not saying all elephants are dangerous; I'm saying elephants are dangerous.
@Legit_Spaghetti @alice @spiegelmama @Aprazeth Another note, a lot of the "not all men" like to holler "AWALT! AWALT!" (All women are like that. "Like that" being your typical incel caricatures of women). Gender essentialism when convenient.
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@Colman @irene @rbphotographic @alice My wife has told me she's experienced:
- Long uncomfortable stares
- Whistling
- Being followed around the store
- Random comments under their breadthAll of which were different men every time and she knows to just call me and I will answer to just be on the phone.
@blainsmith @Colman @rbphotographic @alice when I was pretty young (15 or 16), my mom would send me to the store. Once a man blocked me between his car and mine and tried to get me to go home and have sex with him for money in the grocery store parking lot. Catcalls were common when I was younger and lived in the Midwest or Boston. In Seattle, I had someone ask me out in the pasta aisle. If it’s hot and I wear a dress people will make creepy (but probably what they think are complimentary) comments. My 60-ish year old neighbor made a point of interrupting me and commenting when I was washing my car on my driveway in a tennis dress.
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@rbphotographic I'm out a lot in the area since the zones are everywhere and so far I haven't seen a single bad behaviour against women. I know it happens because it has been a couple of cases on the news that ended up in court for assult but I have never witnessed even a whistle after a woman so I guess we are lucky here.
I have also been working in industry jobs that are notorious for it but there was nothing there either. But we northerners are known for being standoffish I guess
@eq it's often invisible to folx other than the target.
The only person besides me that saw this one was one of the other guys in the car who pulled a 🤭 as his friend gestured at me.
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Car just drove by and one of the guys in it made the
gesture out the window at me.Not sure if it was an observation based on my aesthetic, or the threat of a
good time, but either way...guys, this is why y'all're still single.@alice a lot of replies to this make me think that hopefully I'm probably doing the right thing by acting "antisocial" around women in public. I'm gay/queer, but cis and I pass for straight, so I just assume women who don't know me will perceive me as a potential threat. It's fine, my dog and I can step off the sidewalk and give you space.
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@blainsmith @Colman @rbphotographic @alice when I was pretty young (15 or 16), my mom would send me to the store. Once a man blocked me between his car and mine and tried to get me to go home and have sex with him for money in the grocery store parking lot. Catcalls were common when I was younger and lived in the Midwest or Boston. In Seattle, I had someone ask me out in the pasta aisle. If it’s hot and I wear a dress people will make creepy (but probably what they think are complimentary) comments. My 60-ish year old neighbor made a point of interrupting me and commenting when I was washing my car on my driveway in a tennis dress.
@blainsmith @Colman @rbphotographic @alice I get hot easily but I can’t wear clothing that is too “skimpy” and of course there’s the classic being sent home from school because your tank top is “distracting” the boys. Note that our school didn’t have AC ..
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@alice
Ok
Old Guy hereALL men have been and are likely to be guilty of some degree of this, and ALL men need to step up and ~police themselves~ AND ~Police other men~
Add this as a duty to be performed on a regular basisIf you suddenly have an urge to shout "not me" or "not all men", suck that neck back in, and know that 100% you are trying to fool us, or fool yourself.
None of us are immune to this, and all of us need to do the effort to curb itStart now
@screwturn I guess that’s one way to absolve yourself.
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@eq it's often invisible to folx other than the target.
The only person besides me that saw this one was one of the other guys in the car who pulled a 🤭 as his friend gestured at me.
@alice Ah sorry, didn't really understand the symbols and missed the "gesture" part. Yes, that is hard to see. The area I'm in is no cars allowed and humans far appart. I guess people also feel less anonymous so being more careful with what they do in public.
When I was younger I had long hair. There was a guy driving past that from behind took me for a woman. He was was almost falling out of his car when I turned grinning at him with a 3-4 cm beard. Found the gas-pedal fast though
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@spiegelmama @Aprazeth yeah, I appreciate it. I can fight my own battles, and it usually takes a lot to rile me, but sometimes I just don't have the spoons to deal with Yet Another Wanker
¹, so I welcome the help.¹ if you're not "Yet Another Wanker
" then this isn't about you.@alice @spiegelmama
I try to not interfere most of the times unless it starts going the wrong direction. Even if to say "I got your back"I do believe in giving people a fair chance. Especially if maybe language or cultural barriers could cause a misunderstanding.
Then again, I will admit I can get on my little soapbox and post a bit of a long thread.
Either way, it felt like the right thing to do.
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@blainsmith @Colman @rbphotographic @alice I get hot easily but I can’t wear clothing that is too “skimpy” and of course there’s the classic being sent home from school because your tank top is “distracting” the boys. Note that our school didn’t have AC ..
@blainsmith @Colman @rbphotographic @alice also note that I’m going to be 40 this week so that is 25 years of dealing with this.
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@rbphotographic @alice Same for my wife and I. There are certain gas stations she avoids because of where they are and the type of men who frequent them. We also always go food shopping together or I go by myself because she ALWAYS has something happen.
@blainsmith @rbphotographic @alice I paid a 20c/gallon "won't get harassed at the other gas station" tax this week, so real.
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@alice Ah sorry, didn't really understand the symbols and missed the "gesture" part. Yes, that is hard to see. The area I'm in is no cars allowed and humans far appart. I guess people also feel less anonymous so being more careful with what they do in public.
When I was younger I had long hair. There was a guy driving past that from behind took me for a woman. He was was almost falling out of his car when I turned grinning at him with a 3-4 cm beard. Found the gas-pedal fast though
@alice And I'm sorry, it's just so very very, *very* hard to understand why people would do such a thing at all. When I was younger I honestly believed the american movies on TV was just fantasy and I still have a hard time understanding that they are some sort of mirror of reality...
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@blainsmith @Colman @rbphotographic @alice also note that I’m going to be 40 this week so that is 25 years of dealing with this.
@irene @Colman @rbphotographic @alice I hate this for all of you and it terrifies me for the sake of my 11 y/o daughter no matter how strong mentally and physically she is. Nothing justifies this kind of behavior.
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@blainsmith @Colman @rbphotographic @alice when I was pretty young (15 or 16), my mom would send me to the store. Once a man blocked me between his car and mine and tried to get me to go home and have sex with him for money in the grocery store parking lot. Catcalls were common when I was younger and lived in the Midwest or Boston. In Seattle, I had someone ask me out in the pasta aisle. If it’s hot and I wear a dress people will make creepy (but probably what they think are complimentary) comments. My 60-ish year old neighbor made a point of interrupting me and commenting when I was washing my car on my driveway in a tennis dress.
@irene @blainsmith @rbphotographic @alice Jesus. I’m too busy trying to find the butter. (Not US based: seems to me — and my wife — that the problem is worse there.)
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@rbphotographic
It's real, friend. If I go for a run, I either do it at the gym (although theres no guarantee I wont be harassed there either) or I carefully plan a route and time where I know the risks are minimised/CCTV/other people around. Even then, a high percentage of the time you're getting some dickhead calling out or gesticulating.
Yet when you talk about 'male privilege' some still deny it exists.
@alice@Jaimieserotica
I often catch myself wondering "why would people do their run/jog on the pavement of the South Circular (one of the rather polluted ring road not far from where I live in London) and then I remember it's all a matter of feelings safer here than in a nearby park after dusk...
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@screwturn I guess that’s one way to absolve yourself.
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@irene @blainsmith @rbphotographic @alice Jesus. I’m too busy trying to find the butter. (Not US based: seems to me — and my wife — that the problem is worse there.)
@Colman @irene @rbphotographic @alice It can get very ugly and disgusting. The entitlement some men have is just wild.
One time I was in a fast food place. After I put in my order a guy (in his 60s) before me was waiting and started verbally abusing the cashier (mid 20s) to the point she was in tears. All over a burger + fries. I yelled "HEY!" at him and as soon as he made eye contact with me he stood down. I said, "that's what I fuckin' though you asshole!"
I apologized to her after he left.
