Do you have an example of stealth solar?
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@dtl I like the use of the string/rope to keep it in place. I'm a big fan of small panels for particular tasks, don't need a grid for lots of tasks
@smallsolar it was a temporary solution that has lasted 10 years so far.
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@smallsolar it was a temporary solution that has lasted 10 years so far.
@dtl could I included it on my list? Happy to credit the image
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@smallsolar In some flats where balcony solar isn't allowed because the landlord is a bastard, people have been building solar tables, which is just a panel with four legs. There is no rule against having a table on your balcony and no rule what a table has to be made of. You'll probably find many pictures if you search for "solartisch".
They can be used as table as well (best use a table cloth to avoid scratching the glass, although it is pretty tough).
Brilliant !!!
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Do you have an example of stealth solar?
I've been thinking a lot about 'stealth solar' where people attach #solarpanels to places in a subtle way to capture the sun's energy. It might be stealth as there are strict rules or just want to keep it low key. #balconysolar is sort of stealth gone mainstream.
With cheaper MPPT devices you can now accept slightly poorer efficiency due to placement and with microinverters don't need to make long strings. I particularly think that there is no point having a solar panel in storage, best get it out there and generating even if it's in a temporary place!
So I thought I'd start a small website that documents different stealth setups, so if you have cheeky solar panels and would be willing to share a little info (but not too much if it would get you in trouble) get in touch.
@smallsolar
Maybe you can help me.
What would happen if you were to add a plug in inverter to an AC circuit provided by a low frequency inverter? -
@dtl could I included it on my list? Happy to credit the image
@smallsolar please do. Sorry it's not the most photogenic image.
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@yngmar wow had a look, seems like there are even some commercial versions, I like the ones with the ability to tilt, you probably only use your table for an hour or so a day even on a busy day so it could be then used to generate some power.
The biggest issue I see is the trailing cable, could put batteries into the legs
@smallsolar @yngmar Put anything with a cable right beside the Solartisch (of course connect "the right" plug).
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@smallsolar please do. Sorry it's not the most photogenic image.
@dtl @smallsolar at least it is a photovoltaic image 🤌
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@dtl @smallsolar at least it is a photovoltaic image 🤌
@falcennial @smallsolar Nice one.
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Do you have an example of stealth solar?
I've been thinking a lot about 'stealth solar' where people attach #solarpanels to places in a subtle way to capture the sun's energy. It might be stealth as there are strict rules or just want to keep it low key. #balconysolar is sort of stealth gone mainstream.
With cheaper MPPT devices you can now accept slightly poorer efficiency due to placement and with microinverters don't need to make long strings. I particularly think that there is no point having a solar panel in storage, best get it out there and generating even if it's in a temporary place!
So I thought I'd start a small website that documents different stealth setups, so if you have cheeky solar panels and would be willing to share a little info (but not too much if it would get you in trouble) get in touch.
@smallsolar "Stealth solar" is a new term for me (English is not my first language). I say "guerilla solar", but stealth sounds nicer.
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Do you have an example of stealth solar?
I've been thinking a lot about 'stealth solar' where people attach #solarpanels to places in a subtle way to capture the sun's energy. It might be stealth as there are strict rules or just want to keep it low key. #balconysolar is sort of stealth gone mainstream.
With cheaper MPPT devices you can now accept slightly poorer efficiency due to placement and with microinverters don't need to make long strings. I particularly think that there is no point having a solar panel in storage, best get it out there and generating even if it's in a temporary place!
So I thought I'd start a small website that documents different stealth setups, so if you have cheeky solar panels and would be willing to share a little info (but not too much if it would get you in trouble) get in touch.
@smallsolar this is a great idea. I am looking for a way to place solar panels on my balcony. My landlord said no, when I asked. So some stealth option could still work.
Someone has experience with those solar tables? is a battery on the balcony in the sun a very bad idea? or could it still work?
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@smallsolar
Maybe you can help me.
What would happen if you were to add a plug in inverter to an AC circuit provided by a low frequency inverter?@ohmrun I think it will really depend on the actual devices and how they operate, plug in inverters are designed for standard grid systems and have anti-islanding etc.
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@smallsolar In some flats where balcony solar isn't allowed because the landlord is a bastard, people have been building solar tables, which is just a panel with four legs. There is no rule against having a table on your balcony and no rule what a table has to be made of. You'll probably find many pictures if you search for "solartisch".
They can be used as table as well (best use a table cloth to avoid scratching the glass, although it is pretty tough).
@yngmar @smallsolar that's pretty punk if you ask me
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@smallsolar "Stealth solar" is a new term for me (English is not my first language). I say "guerilla solar", but stealth sounds nicer.
@realSiegfried yes, I think I would have use guerilla solar as well but I guess stealth adds in the concept of aesthetics as well
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@smallsolar this is a great idea. I am looking for a way to place solar panels on my balcony. My landlord said no, when I asked. So some stealth option could still work.
Someone has experience with those solar tables? is a battery on the balcony in the sun a very bad idea? or could it still work?
@thierna my initial thoughts are that a battery should be fine if it's outdoor rated, the key would be to try and give it shade as you don't want it getting hot, I'm sure a a little fabric sale or wooden roof would make it look awesome
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Do you have an example of stealth solar?
I've been thinking a lot about 'stealth solar' where people attach #solarpanels to places in a subtle way to capture the sun's energy. It might be stealth as there are strict rules or just want to keep it low key. #balconysolar is sort of stealth gone mainstream.
With cheaper MPPT devices you can now accept slightly poorer efficiency due to placement and with microinverters don't need to make long strings. I particularly think that there is no point having a solar panel in storage, best get it out there and generating even if it's in a temporary place!
So I thought I'd start a small website that documents different stealth setups, so if you have cheeky solar panels and would be willing to share a little info (but not too much if it would get you in trouble) get in touch.
@smallsolar
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about stealth solar where people attach #solarpanels to places in a subtle way to capture the sun's energy#offthegrid #diy #solarcharger
#msnow had a 2min segment on just off the shelf system to charge his #EVseems there are no rules in his town, see video
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@smallsolar unsure if this counts but I got 3 450wp panels sitting upright against my garden fencing. Main reason for it is that in the winter at noon the sun hits this spot basically exactly head-on, so I still get ~1-1.5kw of power out of this in the winter despite the dutch latitude
@anthropy @smallsolar the only issue I see, from purely a generation point of view, the plants cast shade on the panels, thus reducing the amount of power they generate.
But I like the whole look of it so who cares about the lost Watts
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Do you have an example of stealth solar?
I've been thinking a lot about 'stealth solar' where people attach #solarpanels to places in a subtle way to capture the sun's energy. It might be stealth as there are strict rules or just want to keep it low key. #balconysolar is sort of stealth gone mainstream.
With cheaper MPPT devices you can now accept slightly poorer efficiency due to placement and with microinverters don't need to make long strings. I particularly think that there is no point having a solar panel in storage, best get it out there and generating even if it's in a temporary place!
So I thought I'd start a small website that documents different stealth setups, so if you have cheeky solar panels and would be willing to share a little info (but not too much if it would get you in trouble) get in touch.
@smallsolar meshcore repeaters is one. They tend to sprout mysteriously as little solar powered units up trees and stuff
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I recently added an ecoflow stream battery to my house (properly with a fused spur and isolator as plug in isn't yet allowed) and it gives me 4x MPPT so I can position 4 panels in different positions even if they aren't optimum and generate some solar.
I suspect I'll end up putting 2 on my garage in a traditional setup and then 2 directly on an east facing wall of my house which can't be seen by anyone. I'll probably mount the wall ones myself, still debating the garage ones as it's a slate roof which is a bit tricky to work with.
@smallsolar fused spur isn't fully compliant either but I think the UK is voting with it's feet on plug in solar anyway
. Just a shame only Ecoflow and none of the good stuff is available easily here.Walls in the UK are generally permitted development even though councils often hate it. Usual exceptions for conservation zones etc
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@sheddi I found that the meter was key to avoid just losing lots of power to the grid. I've got it installed in the fusebox (had to have a bigger box to fit it in) but I saw online someone who just added a cable and plugged it into a nearby socket and put the clamp over the input line.
Doubt I'll be recouping my costs when I factor in the electrician installation but I'm enjoying having it setup.
@smallsolar @sheddi if you are paying a sparky price a proper install instead. A non fancy brand 3.6 or 5kW inverter that'll take standard 48v batteries is a grand, 16kWh of battery is about 1500 and some cables and stuff. Once you go over a tiny size wired in wins if you can do it, especially as the sparky can claim the vat off and you can't.
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@smallsolar it's just plugged in, it's not in its final location yet and I wanted to check it wasn't DOA.
It does what it does well enough. The Ecoflow app has a few quirks and doesn't always report what you think it's reporting, but I'm getting used to them.
I don't have an Ecoflow-compatible energy monitor or smart plugs (my existing ZigBee kit isn't on their compatibility list AFAICT) but I've set up a manual demand profile and the Ultra follows it well enough.
@sheddi @smallsolar you can download code to provide the shelly API and also esp32 code for doing CT clamp to WiFi, so there are other ways to bridge the two. Nice thing about faking a shelly is you can then lie to the closed ecoflow system to get more control
