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So I’m stuck.

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  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

    @hub hopefully under better circumstances than my trip today!

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    @jon it can be late 2:30 hours and I'll be winning. (long connection for the ICE in Cologne)

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      @bentorfs I had a decent amount of time to transfer. But I was 2 hours 30 mins late into Paris! I didn’t give myself that much 🙂

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        @jon So you wait before the closed barriers, waiting for attendants to show up, and then you ask them to get the train manager for you? I don't suppose you had a valid ticket to actually get next to the train before that

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        @bentorfs @jon in one case for me I had a first class ticket and the attendants told me to go to and enter the bistro car and wait for the train manager there

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        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

          And it is at moments like this that you realise that

          COMPULSORY RESERVATION TRAINS ARE SHIT

          I will happily stand the whole way from Paris to Liège, because better that than not getting there at all

          But as the Eurostar is compulsory reservation I am likely not allowed on it

          My need to get to my destination is higher than the mild inconvenience to some other passenger if I am standing beside them in an aisle

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          @jon i always assumed this was a liability / safety issue but yes, it is annoying.

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          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

            @bentorfs I had a decent amount of time to transfer. But I was 2 hours 30 mins late into Paris! I didn’t give myself that much 🙂

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            @jon Unfortunately my way to Paris involves unreliable TER and/or intercités, and many kilometers of track popular with sangliers and chevreuil. 2h30 doesn't seem so crazy

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            • mvexel@en.osm.townM mvexel@en.osm.town

              @jon i always assumed this was a liability / safety issue but yes, it is annoying.

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              @mvexel it is in part, but not wholly - if it’s TOO overloaded it can be, esp as axle load of double decker TGVs is limited. But it’s taken to an excessive extreme by SNCF and Eurostar, to drive up ticket costs on peak trains.

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              • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                I tried the ticket office for Eurostar first. But there were 3 desks open and a crazy queue. That would not have worked. #CrossBorderRail

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                Apart from the speed of the train when it’s running, and - from Eurostar’s point of view - the ticket prices, EVERYTHING else is inefficient. Staffing. Boarding. Seating. Timetables. Ticket offices. Catering. Luggage stowage. #CrossBorderRail

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                • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                  Apart from the speed of the train when it’s running, and - from Eurostar’s point of view - the ticket prices, EVERYTHING else is inefficient. Staffing. Boarding. Seating. Timetables. Ticket offices. Catering. Luggage stowage. #CrossBorderRail

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                  Damn how we need competition against Eurostar. Both to London and on ex-Thalys routes. I’m not even necessarily a fan of competition but it’s the only hope here. #CrossBorderRail

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                  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                    Damn how we need competition against Eurostar. Both to London and on ex-Thalys routes. I’m not even necessarily a fan of competition but it’s the only hope here. #CrossBorderRail

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                    And all I need now: my second #CrossBorderRail to run on time later on Liège - Maastricht

                    But it’s a Drielandentrein 🫣

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                    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                      Damn how we need competition against Eurostar. Both to London and on ex-Thalys routes. I’m not even necessarily a fan of competition but it’s the only hope here. #CrossBorderRail

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                      @jon Prices on Eurostar are just insane. Even for families it is often cheaper to fly than to go by train. Competition alone won't fix it though without extra infrastructure, no? You would know better, but my status is that there isn't more capacity through the channel tunnel than what they already do.

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                      • leo@mastodon.greenL leo@mastodon.green

                        @jon Prices on Eurostar are just insane. Even for families it is often cheaper to fly than to go by train. Competition alone won't fix it though without extra infrastructure, no? You would know better, but my status is that there isn't more capacity through the channel tunnel than what they already do.

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                        @leo a few years ago I calculated it for Paris - Bruxelles. If you run the current peak timetable all day, run 16 carriage trains all day, and run double deckers you get 186% more seats. On existing infra! That’s before even factoring in if there’s extra space on the lines.

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                        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                          And all I need now: my second #CrossBorderRail to run on time later on Liège - Maastricht

                          But it’s a Drielandentrein 🫣

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                          Also I forgot to add a rather tragic conversation from the Eurostar ticket office earlier, where I’d tried queuing.

                          American behind me, to the security guard at the door: “I want to go to London today!”

                          Security: “You’ll have to wait!”

                          Him: “Isn’t there a train every hour?”

                          Me to him: “Honestly try on your phone instead.”

                          Him: “But they all say ‘No availability’”

                          #CrossBorderRail

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                          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                            Also I forgot to add a rather tragic conversation from the Eurostar ticket office earlier, where I’d tried queuing.

                            American behind me, to the security guard at the door: “I want to go to London today!”

                            Security: “You’ll have to wait!”

                            Him: “Isn’t there a train every hour?”

                            Me to him: “Honestly try on your phone instead.”

                            Him: “But they all say ‘No availability’”

                            #CrossBorderRail

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                            The guy is going to then have queued an hour, only to still be told there’s no ticket. #CrossBorderRail

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                            • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                              Damn how we need competition against Eurostar. Both to London and on ex-Thalys routes. I’m not even necessarily a fan of competition but it’s the only hope here. #CrossBorderRail

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                              @jon But please competition in ICE International style with flexible fares, no weird boarding, mindfully designed trains and good service - rather than Ouigo, ECD or Frecciarossa style 🫠.

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                              • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                The guy is going to then have queued an hour, only to still be told there’s no ticket. #CrossBorderRail

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                                Meanwhile at Eurostar HQ. Screw you sucker passengers! We can set whatever prices we like, because what the hell else are you gonna do? Go to Charles de Gaulle Airport or something? #CrossBorderRail

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                                • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                  Damn how we need competition against Eurostar. Both to London and on ex-Thalys routes. I’m not even necessarily a fan of competition but it’s the only hope here. #CrossBorderRail

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                                  @jon feel competition can be good if it offers something a lttle different (so not 100% direct competition) and the line's capacity can cope. Monopolies often price passengers off rail.

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                                    @mvexel it is in part, but not wholly - if it’s TOO overloaded it can be, esp as axle load of double decker TGVs is limited. But it’s taken to an excessive extreme by SNCF and Eurostar, to drive up ticket costs on peak trains.

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                                    @jon yes, that’s a nasty practice. They’ve been looking at airlines really closely to learn. Next: bag fees?

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                                    • E ef@mastodon.bsd.cafe

                                      @jon feel competition can be good if it offers something a lttle different (so not 100% direct competition) and the line's capacity can cope. Monopolies often price passengers off rail.

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                                      @EF There is capacity for *sure*. Look at Milano - Roma, it can work. And yes, a state monopoly can in some cases be OK, but in others it's malevolent, and here it is malevolent (Eurostar is 55% SNCF, 20% SNCB)

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                                      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                        Meanwhile at Eurostar HQ. Screw you sucker passengers! We can set whatever prices we like, because what the hell else are you gonna do? Go to Charles de Gaulle Airport or something? #CrossBorderRail

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                                        I am not on Interrail today, so just purchased my ticket for the last bit - Liège - Maastricht (Drielandentrein, not compulsory reservation)

                                        Look at the price if I chose to go via Aachen instead! 🤨

                                        #CrossBorderRail

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                                        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                          I am not on Interrail today, so just purchased my ticket for the last bit - Liège - Maastricht (Drielandentrein, not compulsory reservation)

                                          Look at the price if I chose to go via Aachen instead! 🤨

                                          #CrossBorderRail

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                                          @jon But surely it's a good deal to pay 14 times more to get there in twice the time? /s

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