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  • mullvadnet@mastodon.onlineM mullvadnet@mastodon.online

    Today, the final negotiations on Chat Control 2.0 begin.

    We hope the European Parliament stands firm against any wording that paves the way for mass surveillance and censorship. Cyprus, currently holding the Presidency of the Council of the EU, aims to conclude the negotiations by June.

    A reminder of the corrupt backstory behind the Chat Control proposal and the involvement of Ashton Kutcher and his company Thorn: https://mullvad.net/why-privacy-matters/going-dark

    pzmyers@freethought.onlineP This user is from outside of this forum
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    @mullvadnet Wait, wait, wait. Ashton Kutcher, the airhead who defended rapist Danny Masterson, is now a Big Man behind internet sex abuse policies? We are so screwed in so many ways.

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    • mullvadnet@mastodon.onlineM mullvadnet@mastodon.online

      Today, the final negotiations on Chat Control 2.0 begin.

      We hope the European Parliament stands firm against any wording that paves the way for mass surveillance and censorship. Cyprus, currently holding the Presidency of the Council of the EU, aims to conclude the negotiations by June.

      A reminder of the corrupt backstory behind the Chat Control proposal and the involvement of Ashton Kutcher and his company Thorn: https://mullvad.net/why-privacy-matters/going-dark

      hnapel@mastodon.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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      @mullvadnet

      If Mila wants it, there's no escape 🤣

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      • mullvadnet@mastodon.onlineM mullvadnet@mastodon.online

        Today, the final negotiations on Chat Control 2.0 begin.

        We hope the European Parliament stands firm against any wording that paves the way for mass surveillance and censorship. Cyprus, currently holding the Presidency of the Council of the EU, aims to conclude the negotiations by June.

        A reminder of the corrupt backstory behind the Chat Control proposal and the involvement of Ashton Kutcher and his company Thorn: https://mullvad.net/why-privacy-matters/going-dark

        budududuroiu@hachyderm.ioB This user is from outside of this forum
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        @mullvadnet Europe needs a post-EU future

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        • mullvadnet@mastodon.onlineM mullvadnet@mastodon.online

          Today, the final negotiations on Chat Control 2.0 begin.

          We hope the European Parliament stands firm against any wording that paves the way for mass surveillance and censorship. Cyprus, currently holding the Presidency of the Council of the EU, aims to conclude the negotiations by June.

          A reminder of the corrupt backstory behind the Chat Control proposal and the involvement of Ashton Kutcher and his company Thorn: https://mullvad.net/why-privacy-matters/going-dark

          jack@status.sexyferret.scienceJ This user is from outside of this forum
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          @mullvadnet@mastodon.online didn't know you hated children good to know

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          • mullvadnet@mastodon.onlineM mullvadnet@mastodon.online

            Today, the final negotiations on Chat Control 2.0 begin.

            We hope the European Parliament stands firm against any wording that paves the way for mass surveillance and censorship. Cyprus, currently holding the Presidency of the Council of the EU, aims to conclude the negotiations by June.

            A reminder of the corrupt backstory behind the Chat Control proposal and the involvement of Ashton Kutcher and his company Thorn: https://mullvad.net/why-privacy-matters/going-dark

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            prometheuspetrosss@mas.to
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            @mullvadnet #reticulum ....

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            • budududuroiu@hachyderm.ioB budududuroiu@hachyderm.io

              @mullvadnet Europe needs a post-EU future

              samueljohnson@mstdn.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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              @budududuroiu @mullvadnet 100% wrong. The EU is governed democratically and it can make course corrections as needed as long as it remains democratic. There is no need to replace the EU.

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                @mullvadnet #reticulum ....

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                @prometheuspetrosss @mullvadnet Reticulum is great, but let's not think we can technology our way out of policy failings every time or for everyone.. for a start, it's very easy to imagine a dystopian future where using any un-backdoored communication is either treated as presumptively suspicious or outright illegal.

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                • pzmyers@freethought.onlineP pzmyers@freethought.online

                  @mullvadnet Wait, wait, wait. Ashton Kutcher, the airhead who defended rapist Danny Masterson, is now a Big Man behind internet sex abuse policies? We are so screwed in so many ways.

                  joblakely@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @pzmyers @mullvadnet who was also major part of Diddy’s ‘rat pack’.
                  Melanie Hamlett’s has some great videos about how problematic he is.
                  https://youtu.be/-tQpJkAuFYg

                  He is a terrible human and should not even consider himself the right person for the job.

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                  • samueljohnson@mstdn.socialS samueljohnson@mstdn.social

                    @budududuroiu @mullvadnet 100% wrong. The EU is governed democratically and it can make course corrections as needed as long as it remains democratic. There is no need to replace the EU.

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                    @samueljohnson @mullvadnet Von Der Leyen was literally plucked out of a relatively obscure (at the time) defense minister job directly to arguably the most important job in Europe. How? Basically a backroom deal between Merkel and Macron.

                    The European Parliament (who is the only elected body lmao) doesn't even have the power to legislate.

                    Democratic my ass

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                    • mullvadnet@mastodon.onlineM mullvadnet@mastodon.online

                      Today, the final negotiations on Chat Control 2.0 begin.

                      We hope the European Parliament stands firm against any wording that paves the way for mass surveillance and censorship. Cyprus, currently holding the Presidency of the Council of the EU, aims to conclude the negotiations by June.

                      A reminder of the corrupt backstory behind the Chat Control proposal and the involvement of Ashton Kutcher and his company Thorn: https://mullvad.net/why-privacy-matters/going-dark

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                      @mullvadnet ChatControl 2.0 is another attempt at selling a magical mystery device that doesn’t and can’t exist.

                      It reads everything but doesn’t read anything, it stores everything but cannot be hacked. It doesn’t make mistakes, it knows everything.

                      In other circles things like these are called scams, but in tech politics they seem to be a dime a dozen.

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                      • budududuroiu@hachyderm.ioB budududuroiu@hachyderm.io

                        @samueljohnson @mullvadnet Von Der Leyen was literally plucked out of a relatively obscure (at the time) defense minister job directly to arguably the most important job in Europe. How? Basically a backroom deal between Merkel and Macron.

                        The European Parliament (who is the only elected body lmao) doesn't even have the power to legislate.

                        Democratic my ass

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                        @budududuroiu @mullvadnet Oh. Europeans don't have direct democracy because their democratically elected governments choose not to have one and you think it's a bad idea, got it.

                        You're wrong about the European Parliament. You'd know this if you understood how the Trilogue Process works in practice. And vDL's nomination required parliamentary approval. And parliament can fire her and the entire Commission.

                        Try being realistic.

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                        • mullvadnet@mastodon.onlineM mullvadnet@mastodon.online

                          Today, the final negotiations on Chat Control 2.0 begin.

                          We hope the European Parliament stands firm against any wording that paves the way for mass surveillance and censorship. Cyprus, currently holding the Presidency of the Council of the EU, aims to conclude the negotiations by June.

                          A reminder of the corrupt backstory behind the Chat Control proposal and the involvement of Ashton Kutcher and his company Thorn: https://mullvad.net/why-privacy-matters/going-dark

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                          Narrator: *they didn't*

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                          • scipoltech@mastodon.onlineS scipoltech@mastodon.online

                            @prometheuspetrosss @mullvadnet Reticulum is great, but let's not think we can technology our way out of policy failings every time or for everyone.. for a start, it's very easy to imagine a dystopian future where using any un-backdoored communication is either treated as presumptively suspicious or outright illegal.

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                            @SciPolTech @mullvadnet True

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                            • samueljohnson@mstdn.socialS samueljohnson@mstdn.social

                              @budududuroiu @mullvadnet Oh. Europeans don't have direct democracy because their democratically elected governments choose not to have one and you think it's a bad idea, got it.

                              You're wrong about the European Parliament. You'd know this if you understood how the Trilogue Process works in practice. And vDL's nomination required parliamentary approval. And parliament can fire her and the entire Commission.

                              Try being realistic.

                              budududuroiu@hachyderm.ioB This user is from outside of this forum
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                              budududuroiu@hachyderm.io
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                              @samueljohnson @mullvadnet
                              Please, enlighten me about how The Trilogue works lmaooo. Even the most pro-EU policy nuts and outlets critique it as an abomination, a closed, informal negotiation that produces pre-agreed texts presented to the full Parliament for rubber-stamping.

                              My critique isn't about direct democracy, it's that Parliament is a rubber stamp. In normal parliamentary democracy, the legislature's primary function is to scrutinise executive power. What you get is a system where the formally democratic body (Parliament) has been procedurally marginalized by an informal workaround (Trilogue) that gives the most consequential institutional power (agenda setting) to a body unaccountable to it's constituents (the Commission).

                              Parliament can't fire HER, Parliament can force the whole Commission to resign by a vote of no confidence, which never happened btw because it triggers a political crisis with no clear resolution path.

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