Can't wait to use and promote illegal operating systems that do not verify age.
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@GerardThornley @Amorpheus @serapath @catsalad for actually useful desktop computing, it still comes down to getting wafers fabbed. not too many advanced fabs around the world these days. Taiwan, South Korea, US, france, probably a few others.
@tubetime @GerardThornley @Amorpheus @catsalad
nobody said it was easy.
the first published linux version 0.01 was published in 1991.
Would anyone believe where this could go decades later? no!did anyone imagine open source 3D printers and a network of private ppl offering 3d printing services would ever be a thing?
etsy even offers 3d printing services.
It just needs a start.
There are projects like the https://mntre.com/ and a lot of open tech exists to further grow an ecosystem
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@serapath @catsalad I agree with you that the future will be what we decide it to be.
But FOSS is one thing. Chip and PCB design and production is another league, that we as a free and independent intellectual community cannot achieve that easily.
We can only create a market niche by supporting it where we can, hoping that some company will follow our call. But even then those companies will have to comply with national regulations.
national regulations
you mean regulatjons made by the epstein class?
its hard to regulate an open source bazaar where private ppl offer their printing services.
what are you exactly afraid of?
why wouldnt platforms like etsy or more open alternatives exist in the future? -
@GerardThornley @Amorpheus @serapath @catsalad for actually useful desktop computing, it still comes down to getting wafers fabbed. not too many advanced fabs around the world these days. Taiwan, South Korea, US, france, probably a few others.
@tubetime @Amorpheus @serapath @catsalad
yeah, I was kidding! I know we aren't going to knock up a PCB-based, GHz-speed, super-scalar, super-pipelined CPU in our sheds. (And the power consumption of you could! 
)Now that I am thinking about it, though, I wonder what actually would be achievable for an enthusiastic amateur with means? For instance, would it be plausible for them to make an actual 6502 chip? At what point in the history of silicon manufacturing did cost and complexity make it utterly unachievable outside of the existing players in the industry?
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@GerardThornley @catsalad Right. I forgot. Can't have that "back in my day..." crap
And to think most of em still run the world today, like that stupid orange man.
@reallylazybear @catsalad aye. I heard something recently pointing out that the current shift rightwards in Western politics was really predictable - a combination of the bulge in the demographic as the boomer generation pass through their retirement years, coupled with the long-observed tendency of people to become more conservative as they get older.
I also heard that we're passing the peak in that bulge at the moment, so as long as no idiots cause another huge generational ripple in the demographics, things might start to get a bit more balanced again. -
@tubetime @Amorpheus @serapath @catsalad
yeah, I was kidding! I know we aren't going to knock up a PCB-based, GHz-speed, super-scalar, super-pipelined CPU in our sheds. (And the power consumption of you could! )Now that I am thinking about it, though, I wonder what actually would be achievable for an enthusiastic amateur with means? For instance, would it be plausible for them to make an actual 6502 chip? At what point in the history of silicon manufacturing did cost and complexity make it utterly unachievable outside of the existing players in the industry?
@GerardThornley @tubetime @Amorpheus @catsalad
i do think in a fediverse world and beyond that peer to peer world, where people leave big tech and embrace self custody, may it be through self hosting (if ppl got the skills) or through embracing peer to peer apps where their identity is represented by a "seed phrase" that represents thei cryptographic keypair, which they write down and store away safely.
...hardware you can trust in is vital, even if it is slow, so ppl will buy open hardware
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Can't wait to use and promote illegal operating systems that do not verify age.
@catsalad
We should start a movement that does that. We'd need a catchy name, though.
Open Sauce or something like it. We should workshop that -
@catsalad @ramonfincken Reading through this concept, I’d like to remind everybody that constantly polling a big wide honking bracket can be used to pinpoint exact details. Replying “under 13” every day until today (you now reply “13-16”) means today is your 13th birthday. There is zero point in adding brackets when services can already determine your exact age using this method.
California needs to stop writing hopes & prayers and start writing laws which include expert guidance.
@ClickyMcTicker
At least they're not getting it straight away. Makes it harder for them.
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@catsalad @ramonfincken Reading through this concept, I’d like to remind everybody that constantly polling a big wide honking bracket can be used to pinpoint exact details. Replying “under 13” every day until today (you now reply “13-16”) means today is your 13th birthday. There is zero point in adding brackets when services can already determine your exact age using this method.
California needs to stop writing hopes & prayers and start writing laws which include expert guidance.
@ClickyMcTicker @catsalad @ramonfincken that's why I have not already lied about my kids ages and set them up multiple accounts on web services they're not old enough to use yet.
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Can't wait to use and promote illegal operating systems that do not verify age.
They'll be able to tell your age by the fact that you care about this issue.
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sounds interesting.
is it something i can replace either my phone or laptop with or is that the goal?is there a way this can be leveraged in the future so many ppl can produce it to supply it to ppl everywhere?
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is there a website or more information?
this sounds amazing.how "fast" is it?
if its basic, its still useful for some tasks, but if it could compare to modern low end laptops, those that you can maybe buy new for 100-200 USD, that would be great. you could then install a desktop OS and use web browsers and various programs ... of course no high end gaming or any other performance/resource hungry app ...but still -
@tubetime @Amorpheus @serapath @catsalad
yeah, I was kidding! I know we aren't going to knock up a PCB-based, GHz-speed, super-scalar, super-pipelined CPU in our sheds. (And the power consumption of you could! )Now that I am thinking about it, though, I wonder what actually would be achievable for an enthusiastic amateur with means? For instance, would it be plausible for them to make an actual 6502 chip? At what point in the history of silicon manufacturing did cost and complexity make it utterly unachievable outside of the existing players in the industry?
@GerardThornley @tubetime @serapath @catsalad ARM is a good example. They just design circuitry, they do not fabricate it. Design is in the grasp of small expert groups and even individuals, but fabrication is only possible if you accumulate enough financial support.
Make your design and propose it. If you get enough supporters, let dedicated fabs produce it.
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national regulations
you mean regulatjons made by the epstein class?
its hard to regulate an open source bazaar where private ppl offer their printing services.
what are you exactly afraid of?
why wouldnt platforms like etsy or more open alternatives exist in the future? -
Can't wait to use and promote illegal operating systems that do not verify age.
@catsalad pirate OSes, if you will.
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@ClickyMcTicker @catsalad @ramonfincken that's why I have not already lied about my kids ages and set them up multiple accounts on web services they're not old enough to use yet.
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@catsalad @ramonfincken Reading through this concept, I’d like to remind everybody that constantly polling a big wide honking bracket can be used to pinpoint exact details. Replying “under 13” every day until today (you now reply “13-16”) means today is your 13th birthday. There is zero point in adding brackets when services can already determine your exact age using this method.
California needs to stop writing hopes & prayers and start writing laws which include expert guidance.
@ClickyMcTicker @catsalad @ramonfincken oppression is the point
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we need to focus hard on building serious open hardware capacities, because if ppl will opt out of proprietary operating systems which verify age, they will move age verification into hardware, so we need to avoid proprietary hardware too. ...better to start immediately supporting that and sharing options, because its not a questiin IF, but only WHEN they will do that.
@serapath @catsalad I've been thinking about this. We should design for bigger mode sizes. If we can manufacture open hardware on the same fans that make power electronics we're pretty much home free. We will have to give up peak performance and power efficiency to do so.
In the meantime, don't throw out any hardware that runs and some of what doesn't. Old corpo laptops were cheap last I checked (double check because of RAM) and probably a good thing to buy by the palletload
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@ramonfincken Oh, nevermind.. They are discussing it
@catsalad @ramonfincken which means they will add it. The whole 'open source' and 'discussion' thing is a veneer over the fact that Shuttleworth is one of those people Big Mad about no more Apartheid, and super into phrenology, eugenics, and loves his pal Thiel.
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@tubetime @GerardThornley @Amorpheus @catsalad
nobody said it was easy.
the first published linux version 0.01 was published in 1991.
Would anyone believe where this could go decades later? no!did anyone imagine open source 3D printers and a network of private ppl offering 3d printing services would ever be a thing?
etsy even offers 3d printing services.
It just needs a start.
There are projects like the https://mntre.com/ and a lot of open tech exists to further grow an ecosystem
@serapath @tubetime @GerardThornley @Amorpheus @catsalad
https://youtu.be/HfSO-LCKmrA I wonder what this guy is making
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we need to focus hard on building serious open hardware capacities, because if ppl will opt out of proprietary operating systems which verify age, they will move age verification into hardware, so we need to avoid proprietary hardware too. ...better to start immediately supporting that and sharing options, because its not a questiin IF, but only WHEN they will do that.
@serapath @catsalad and people need to get this through their skulls right now.
If that's your "solution" then you had better be prepared for nothing more advanced than a cut-down Raspberry Pi 1. You will never see anything resembling a modern processor again.
Hardware is EXTREMELY capital intensive. You cannot "open source" a 12 layer PCIe AM5 motherboard. This is why people need to be making clear to hardware companies that this collaboration will result in consequences well beyond sales drops
