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Can't wait to use and promote illegal operating systems that do not verify age.

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  • G gerardthornley@hachyderm.io

    @tubetime @Amorpheus @serapath @catsalad πŸ™‚ yeah, I was kidding! I know we aren't going to knock up a PCB-based, GHz-speed, super-scalar, super-pipelined CPU in our sheds. (And the power consumption of you could! πŸ”₯)

    Now that I am thinking about it, though, I wonder what actually would be achievable for an enthusiastic amateur with means? For instance, would it be plausible for them to make an actual 6502 chip? At what point in the history of silicon manufacturing did cost and complexity make it utterly unachievable outside of the existing players in the industry?

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    #117

    @GerardThornley @tubetime @Amorpheus @catsalad

    i do think in a fediverse world and beyond that peer to peer world, where people leave big tech and embrace self custody, may it be through self hosting (if ppl got the skills) or through embracing peer to peer apps where their identity is represented by a "seed phrase" that represents thei cryptographic keypair, which they write down and store away safely.

    ...hardware you can trust in is vital, even if it is slow, so ppl will buy open hardwareπŸ™‚

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    • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

      Can't wait to use and promote illegal operating systems that do not verify age.

      dirkhh@hachyderm.ioD This user is from outside of this forum
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      #118

      @catsalad
      We should start a movement that does that. We'd need a catchy name, though.
      Open Sauce or something like it. We should workshop that

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      • C clickymcticker@hachyderm.io

        @catsalad @ramonfincken Reading through this concept, I’d like to remind everybody that constantly polling a big wide honking bracket can be used to pinpoint exact details. Replying β€œunder 13” every day until today (you now reply β€œ13-16”) means today is your 13th birthday. There is zero point in adding brackets when services can already determine your exact age using this method.

        California needs to stop writing hopes & prayers and start writing laws which include expert guidance.

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        #119

        @ClickyMcTicker
        At least they're not getting it straight away. Makes it harder for them.
        @catsalad @ramonfincken

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        • C clickymcticker@hachyderm.io

          @catsalad @ramonfincken Reading through this concept, I’d like to remind everybody that constantly polling a big wide honking bracket can be used to pinpoint exact details. Replying β€œunder 13” every day until today (you now reply β€œ13-16”) means today is your 13th birthday. There is zero point in adding brackets when services can already determine your exact age using this method.

          California needs to stop writing hopes & prayers and start writing laws which include expert guidance.

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          #120

          @ClickyMcTicker @catsalad @ramonfincken that's why I have not already lied about my kids ages and set them up multiple accounts on web services they're not old enough to use yet.

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          • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

            Can't wait to use and promote illegal operating systems that do not verify age.

            kentpitman@climatejustice.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
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            #121

            @catsalad

            They'll be able to tell your age by the fact that you care about this issue. πŸ˜‰

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            • serapath@mastodon.gamedev.placeS This user is from outside of this forum
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              #122

              @0x0ddc0ffee @catsalad

              sounds interesting.
              is it something i can replace either my phone or laptop with or is that the goal?

              is there a way this can be leveraged in the future so many ppl can produce it to supply it to ppl everywhere? πŸ™‚

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                @0x0ddc0ffee @catsalad

                is there a website or more information?
                this sounds amazing.

                how "fast" is it?
                if its basic, its still useful for some tasks, but if it could compare to modern low end laptops, those that you can maybe buy new for 100-200 USD, that would be great. you could then install a desktop OS and use web browsers and various programs ... of course no high end gaming or any other performance/resource hungry app ...but still

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                • G gerardthornley@hachyderm.io

                  @tubetime @Amorpheus @serapath @catsalad πŸ™‚ yeah, I was kidding! I know we aren't going to knock up a PCB-based, GHz-speed, super-scalar, super-pipelined CPU in our sheds. (And the power consumption of you could! πŸ”₯)

                  Now that I am thinking about it, though, I wonder what actually would be achievable for an enthusiastic amateur with means? For instance, would it be plausible for them to make an actual 6502 chip? At what point in the history of silicon manufacturing did cost and complexity make it utterly unachievable outside of the existing players in the industry?

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                  @GerardThornley @tubetime @serapath @catsalad ARM is a good example. They just design circuitry, they do not fabricate it. Design is in the grasp of small expert groups and even individuals, but fabrication is only possible if you accumulate enough financial support.

                  Make your design and propose it. If you get enough supporters, let dedicated fabs produce it.

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                  • serapath@mastodon.gamedev.placeS serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place

                    @Amorpheus @catsalad

                    national regulations

                    you mean regulatjons made by the epstein class?

                    its hard to regulate an open source bazaar where private ppl offer their printing services.

                    what are you exactly afraid of?
                    why wouldnt platforms like etsy or more open alternatives exist in the future?

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                    @serapath @catsalad If 3D printers were already able to produce on sub-nm scale, I'd agree with joy, enthusiasm, dedication and participation... πŸ™‚

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                    • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

                      Can't wait to use and promote illegal operating systems that do not verify age.

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                      #126

                      @catsalad pirate OSes, if you will.

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                      • duckwhistle@mastodon.org.ukD duckwhistle@mastodon.org.uk

                        @ClickyMcTicker @catsalad @ramonfincken that's why I have not already lied about my kids ages and set them up multiple accounts on web services they're not old enough to use yet.

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                        #127

                        @duckwhistle @ClickyMcTicker @catsalad @ramonfincken good idea

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                        • C clickymcticker@hachyderm.io

                          @catsalad @ramonfincken Reading through this concept, I’d like to remind everybody that constantly polling a big wide honking bracket can be used to pinpoint exact details. Replying β€œunder 13” every day until today (you now reply β€œ13-16”) means today is your 13th birthday. There is zero point in adding brackets when services can already determine your exact age using this method.

                          California needs to stop writing hopes & prayers and start writing laws which include expert guidance.

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                          #128

                          @ClickyMcTicker @catsalad @ramonfincken oppression is the point

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                          • serapath@mastodon.gamedev.placeS serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place

                            @catsalad

                            we need to focus hard on building serious open hardware capacities, because if ppl will opt out of proprietary operating systems which verify age, they will move age verification into hardware, so we need to avoid proprietary hardware too. ...better to start immediately supporting that and sharing options, because its not a questiin IF, but only WHEN they will do that.

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                            #129

                            @serapath @catsalad I've been thinking about this. We should design for bigger mode sizes. If we can manufacture open hardware on the same fans that make power electronics we're pretty much home free. We will have to give up peak performance and power efficiency to do so.

                            In the meantime, don't throw out any hardware that runs and some of what doesn't. Old corpo laptops were cheap last I checked (double check because of RAM) and probably a good thing to buy by the palletload

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                            • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

                              @ramonfincken Oh, nevermind.. They are discussing it

                              On the unfortunate need for an "age verification" API for legal compliance reasons in some U.S. states

                              favicon

                              (lists.ubuntu.com)

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                              @catsalad @ramonfincken which means they will add it. The whole 'open source' and 'discussion' thing is a veneer over the fact that Shuttleworth is one of those people Big Mad about no more Apartheid, and super into phrenology, eugenics, and loves his pal Thiel.

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                              • serapath@mastodon.gamedev.placeS serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                @tubetime @GerardThornley @Amorpheus @catsalad

                                nobody said it was easy.
                                the first published linux version 0.01 was published in 1991.
                                Would anyone believe where this could go decades later? no!

                                did anyone imagine open source 3D printers and a network of private ppl offering 3d printing services would ever be a thing?

                                etsy even offers 3d printing services.

                                It just needs a start.

                                There are projects like the https://mntre.com/ and a lot of open tech exists to further grow an ecosystem

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                                @serapath @tubetime @GerardThornley @Amorpheus @catsalad

                                https://youtu.be/HfSO-LCKmrA I wonder what this guy is making

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                                • serapath@mastodon.gamedev.placeS serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                  @catsalad

                                  we need to focus hard on building serious open hardware capacities, because if ppl will opt out of proprietary operating systems which verify age, they will move age verification into hardware, so we need to avoid proprietary hardware too. ...better to start immediately supporting that and sharing options, because its not a questiin IF, but only WHEN they will do that.

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                                  #132

                                  @serapath @catsalad and people need to get this through their skulls right now.
                                  If that's your "solution" then you had better be prepared for nothing more advanced than a cut-down Raspberry Pi 1. You will never see anything resembling a modern processor again.
                                  Hardware is EXTREMELY capital intensive. You cannot "open source" a 12 layer PCIe AM5 motherboard. This is why people need to be making clear to hardware companies that this collaboration will result in consequences well beyond sales drops

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                                  • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

                                    Can't wait to use and promote illegal operating systems that do not verify age.

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                                    #133

                                    @catsalad enemy of the people, to be sure

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                                    • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

                                      Can't wait to use and promote illegal operating systems that do not verify age.

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                                      #134

                                      @catsalad trying and failing to find a screen cap to reply with of the in-universe ad poster within Bomb Rush Cyberfunk that just says β€œcrimin’” πŸ‘πŸ‘

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                                      • fluffykittycat@furry.engineerF fluffykittycat@furry.engineer

                                        @ClickyMcTicker @catsalad @ramonfincken oppression is the point

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                                        @fluffykittycat @ClickyMcTicker @catsalad @ramonfincken The point is to fight oppression. By any means necessary.

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                                        • fluffykittycat@furry.engineerF fluffykittycat@furry.engineer

                                          @serapath @tubetime @GerardThornley @Amorpheus @catsalad

                                          https://youtu.be/HfSO-LCKmrA I wonder what this guy is making

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                                          @fluffykittycat @serapath @tubetime @GerardThornley @Amorpheus @catsalad Blue Crystal Meth Computing!

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