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When illustrating the Fediverse as a network, what should the nodes be?

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  • gaditb@icosahedron.websiteG gaditb@icosahedron.website

    @evan I think that's a map of the development ecosystem and of developer communities/the social construction of software,

    so not nothing but very distinct from what making Instances nodes would be a map of.

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    #12

    @gaditb It says "Fediverse" in the title.

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    • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

      When illustrating the Fediverse as a network, what should the nodes be?

      #EvanPoll #poll

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      #13

      @evan
      What instance/server/software someone might be using is irrelevant, we all follow *people*.

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      • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

        @gaditb It says "Fediverse" in the title.

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        #14

        @evan I know I mean, functionally.

        If I draw something that's a map of Ellenville and label it Springfield it still works as a map of Ellenville.

        (And like, it's a (maybe, I assume) map of the developer communities/social landscape around the software construction /of Fediverse software in particular/, so arguably that's not an inaccurate label on it...)

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        • gaditb@icosahedron.websiteG gaditb@icosahedron.website

          @evan I know I mean, functionally.

          If I draw something that's a map of Ellenville and label it Springfield it still works as a map of Ellenville.

          (And like, it's a (maybe, I assume) map of the developer communities/social landscape around the software construction /of Fediverse software in particular/, so arguably that's not an inaccurate label on it...)

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          @gaditb You asked for clarification, and I gave you an example of the kind of diagram I meant, from https://www.britannica.com/technology/fediverse .

          There are a lot of others. This is not an unusual way for people to diagram the Fediverse. Here's the one from Wikipedia.

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          Fediverse - Wikipedia

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          (en.wikipedia.org)

          I think the people who made these diagrams intended them to be diagrams of the Fediverse, which is why they labelled them "The Fediverse".

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          • andypiper@macaw.socialA andypiper@macaw.social

            @evan I prefer “servers” as a synonym for “instances”; I picked another item from the poll but that’s an aside to the options presented.

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            @andypiper I think it's better too!

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            • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

              @gaditb You asked for clarification, and I gave you an example of the kind of diagram I meant, from https://www.britannica.com/technology/fediverse .

              There are a lot of others. This is not an unusual way for people to diagram the Fediverse. Here's the one from Wikipedia.

              Link Preview Image
              Fediverse - Wikipedia

              favicon

              (en.wikipedia.org)

              I think the people who made these diagrams intended them to be diagrams of the Fediverse, which is why they labelled them "The Fediverse".

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              #17

              @evan Oh! Sorry, I thought that was like, an example of what you were thinking about in the conversation ij general. I didn't realize you meant it as example-of-existing-usage, my bad.

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              • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

                When illustrating the Fediverse as a network, what should the nodes be?

                #EvanPoll #poll

                rickscully@heads.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                #18

                @evan Wow. This is a tough one. Bravo.

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                • rickscully@heads.socialR rickscully@heads.social

                  @evan Wow. This is a tough one. Bravo.

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                  @rickscully Thank you!

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                  • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

                    @andypiper I think it's better too!

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                    @evan@cosocial.ca @andypiper@macaw.social didn't found servers then I chose softwares diversity must be clear. I'm bored of CEOs and branding.
                    Communities.
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                    • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

                      When illustrating the Fediverse as a network, what should the nodes be?

                      #EvanPoll #poll

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                      #21

                      @evan i picked people, because ultimately federation is the implementation detail and people communicating is the reason why any of us are here, not vice versa. buuut it really depends on what the diagram is meant to communicate and to whom

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                      • aeva@mastodon.gamedev.placeA aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place

                        @evan i picked people, because ultimately federation is the implementation detail and people communicating is the reason why any of us are here, not vice versa. buuut it really depends on what the diagram is meant to communicate and to whom

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                        #22

                        @evan I think Topics could just as well have the same rational, and it's interesting to me that it has scored so low so far.

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                        • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

                          When illustrating the Fediverse as a network, what should the nodes be?

                          #EvanPoll #poll

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                          @evan What are nodes in this case?

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                          • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

                            When illustrating the Fediverse as a network, what should the nodes be?

                            #EvanPoll #poll

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                            #24

                            @evan @mayintoronto but I wish the geeky "instances" word could be made more general-public friendly.

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                            • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

                              When illustrating the Fediverse as a network, what should the nodes be?

                              #EvanPoll #poll

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                              @evan I'm a fan of making diagrams information-dense, so I'd want to try to illustrate (or even better, animate) all of the above. Have instance nodes be their software logos but labelled with their domains. Show people connecting to their own instances using phones or PCs. Show them creating posts, animate them flying across the fediverse. Show hashtags being used. Show different software instances interacting. Maybe try to animate a whole follow post sequence for individuals and hashtags.

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                              • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

                                When illustrating the Fediverse as a network, what should the nodes be?

                                #EvanPoll #poll

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                                #26

                                @evan depends on what the illustration is being used for. For a generic usage, I would say people and instances. I chose "people", since ultimately that's the point.

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                                • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

                                  @andypiper I think it's better too!

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                                  #27

                                  @evan @andypiper Same here, definitely prefer "servers" to "instances", but my favorite is "communities".

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                                  • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

                                    When illustrating the Fediverse as a network, what should the nodes be?

                                    #EvanPoll #poll

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                                    #28

                                    @evan
                                    (Instances)
                                    Of course, the answer is always really going to be "It depends on what you are illustrating".

                                    If the point is interoperability, then "software" makes sense, for example.

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                                    • aeva@mastodon.gamedev.placeA aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                      @evan i picked people, because ultimately federation is the implementation detail and people communicating is the reason why any of us are here, not vice versa. buuut it really depends on what the diagram is meant to communicate and to whom

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                                      #29

                                      @aeva @evan so much this. People are the "what" or the "who"; instances are the "how".

                                      Although you could do both, it is very much more important to me to draw how I know Ben than line-trace wires from one instance to another.

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                                      • mayintoronto@beige.partyM mayintoronto@beige.party

                                        @evan What are nodes in this case?

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                                        #30

                                        @mayintoronto that's the question!

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                                        • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

                                          @mayintoronto that's the question!

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                                          @evan oh I see!

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