[jacking off motion] great 🙄
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@Doomed_Daniel @SnoopJ @aud Which is funny in this case because they're also probably losing money on every request.
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@Doomed_Daniel @cthos @aud I don't think it works that way but they aren't exactly open about what makes a request "premium".
I'm guessing that a user prompt causes a free request, and if the model reasons it wants to upnegotiate to premium billing, it can do so, or something like that?
It's all various shades of "creative accounting"
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@Doomed_Daniel @SnoopJ @aud Which is funny in this case because they're also probably losing money on every request.
@cthos @Doomed_Daniel @aud there is no possible way they are coming anywhere close to breaking even
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@Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place @SnoopJ@hachyderm.io @cthos@mastodon.cthos.dev "I will make our entire department dependent on this service offered by a monopoly!!! wait, why are our costs so high now
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boggles the fucking mind that anyone thinks that is a good idea -
@Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place @SnoopJ@hachyderm.io @cthos@mastodon.cthos.dev "I will make our entire department dependent on this service offered by a monopoly!!! wait, why are our costs so high now
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boggles the fucking mind that anyone thinks that is a good idea@SnoopJ@hachyderm.io @Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place @cthos@mastodon.cthos.dev "we were losing money on plumbing maintenance, right?"
"uh, I don't... think that we were losing money on tha-"
"so anyway, this company offered to deliver us water way below market price that the water company asks for!! so I ripped out all our pipes and these suckers are HAND BRINGING US WATER NOW."
"what's your plan for if they ever raise prices?"
"... huh?" -
@Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place @SnoopJ@hachyderm.io @cthos@mastodon.cthos.dev "I will make our entire department dependent on this service offered by a monopoly!!! wait, why are our costs so high now
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boggles the fucking mind that anyone thinks that is a good idea -
@Doomed_Daniel @SnoopJ @aud So, yes, they are definitely trying to make themselves indespensible before their creditors come calling but unless there's some miraculous breakthrough or the "just accept shit sucks always" actually somehow makes them a profit ... they cannot raise their prices high enough to recoup the investment.
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@Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place @SnoopJ@hachyderm.io @cthos@mastodon.cthos.dev companies when the engineer applying is a woman: "we only want the best, and I'm afraid you're just not it."
companies when the AI boom is happening: "it's obvious your work is unskilled and can be replaced with a machine, none of you are special." -
@Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place @SnoopJ@hachyderm.io @cthos@mastodon.cthos.dev companies when the engineer applying is a woman: "we only want the best, and I'm afraid you're just not it."
companies when the AI boom is happening: "it's obvious your work is unskilled and can be replaced with a machine, none of you are special." -
@SnoopJ@hachyderm.io @Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place @cthos@mastodon.cthos.dev "we were losing money on plumbing maintenance, right?"
"uh, I don't... think that we were losing money on tha-"
"so anyway, this company offered to deliver us water way below market price that the water company asks for!! so I ripped out all our pipes and these suckers are HAND BRINGING US WATER NOW."
"what's your plan for if they ever raise prices?"
"... huh?"@aud @SnoopJ @Doomed_Daniel "Remember when Uber rides were $5 Bob?"
"Sure do, Dave, sure do."
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@Doomed_Daniel @SnoopJ @aud So, yes, they are definitely trying to make themselves indespensible before their creditors come calling but unless there's some miraculous breakthrough or the "just accept shit sucks always" actually somehow makes them a profit ... they cannot raise their prices high enough to recoup the investment.
@Doomed_Daniel @SnoopJ @aud I did see a plausible argument that they don't actually want to recoup their investement and are just interested in messing up society, but I don't personally believe that.
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@Doomed_Daniel @SnoopJ @aud So, yes, they are definitely trying to make themselves indespensible before their creditors come calling but unless there's some miraculous breakthrough or the "just accept shit sucks always" actually somehow makes them a profit ... they cannot raise their prices high enough to recoup the investment.
@cthos @Doomed_Daniel @aud and thus the gravitational pull towards "simply take control of the entire market" and from there's a hop, skip, and a jump to fascism.
can't have debts if you don't have living creditors
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@cthos @Doomed_Daniel @aud and thus the gravitational pull towards "simply take control of the entire market" and from there's a hop, skip, and a jump to fascism.
can't have debts if you don't have living creditors
@SnoopJ@hachyderm.io @Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place @cthos@mastodon.cthos.dev I was just thinking about how "just accept shit sucks always" is basically how fascism "works" in the first place, so...
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@Doomed_Daniel @SnoopJ @aud I did see a plausible argument that they don't actually want to recoup their investement and are just interested in messing up society, but I don't personally believe that.
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@cthos @SnoopJ @aud
I mean, for now "doing something with AI" boosts stock prices, who cares what happens when the bubble bursts, the people in charge only need to make sure to sell a enough shares before that happensit's not like MBA brains ever cared about things further away than the next annual accounts
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@Doomed_Daniel @cthos @aud "believe" may be too strong a word for the individuals caught up in the corporate machine (aside from the ones who are literally in a cult) and the machine itself does not have belief (wrong species)
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@Doomed_Daniel @cthos @aud "believe" may be too strong a word for the individuals caught up in the corporate machine (aside from the ones who are literally in a cult) and the machine itself does not have belief (wrong species)
@Doomed_Daniel @cthos @aud and at some point belief has really nothing to do with it and the economics just spiral naturally
I recently listened to a summary of the Chinese bike-share market craze of the mid 2010s recently and they did a good job making it clear that once ofo and Mobike were locked into a subsidy race, there really wasn't any way out except merger, and merger was unthinkable in the face of the sunk costs in that fight to that point
Has me thinking about the analogies to today's subsidies, except that there are businesses ($NVDA) who are benefitting from all that squabbling, at least temporarily, and the higher-ups will surely get the bigger end of the wishbone when the sell-offs start rolling in.
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@Doomed_Daniel @cthos @aud and at some point belief has really nothing to do with it and the economics just spiral naturally
I recently listened to a summary of the Chinese bike-share market craze of the mid 2010s recently and they did a good job making it clear that once ofo and Mobike were locked into a subsidy race, there really wasn't any way out except merger, and merger was unthinkable in the face of the sunk costs in that fight to that point
Has me thinking about the analogies to today's subsidies, except that there are businesses ($NVDA) who are benefitting from all that squabbling, at least temporarily, and the higher-ups will surely get the bigger end of the wishbone when the sell-offs start rolling in.
@SnoopJ @Doomed_Daniel @aud But NVDA is also just tossing around the same $100 bn to all of the people who then pay them, and so the circular economics are just ... fraud levels of wild right now.
And at some point those data center workers want to get paid in real money.
So it's unclear just how cleanly they'll get away from this too.
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@SnoopJ @Doomed_Daniel @aud But NVDA is also just tossing around the same $100 bn to all of the people who then pay them, and so the circular economics are just ... fraud levels of wild right now.
And at some point those data center workers want to get paid in real money.
So it's unclear just how cleanly they'll get away from this too.
@cthos@mastodon.cthos.dev @SnoopJ@hachyderm.io @Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place I suspect that when the bubble pops, any money that could be exfiltrated will likely already have been through one method or another by various parties... and/or they'll cry for a bailout
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and doing so took the model ~336,500 tokens
For reference, the final merged document is about 20 KB of text, so conservatively about 8 tokens per byte processed (assuming I started with 2x 20 KB docs which is overestimating)
Woof.
unsurprisingly, the more I look, the more I find to fix
I don't have the patience required to babysit this thing
