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  • doomed_daniel@mastodon.gamedev.placeD doomed_daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place

    @aud @SnoopJ @cthos
    hire only the best(tm) developers, then deskill them

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    @Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place @SnoopJ@hachyderm.io @cthos@mastodon.cthos.dev companies when the engineer applying is a woman: "we only want the best, and I'm afraid you're just not it."

    companies when the AI boom is happening: "it's obvious your work is unskilled and can be replaced with a machine, none of you are special."

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    • aud@fire.asta.lgbtA aud@fire.asta.lgbt

      @Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place @SnoopJ@hachyderm.io @cthos@mastodon.cthos.dev companies when the engineer applying is a woman: "we only want the best, and I'm afraid you're just not it."

      companies when the AI boom is happening: "it's obvious your work is unskilled and can be replaced with a machine, none of you are special."

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      #73

      @aud @SnoopJ @cthos
      πŸ™ƒ

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      • aud@fire.asta.lgbtA aud@fire.asta.lgbt

        @SnoopJ@hachyderm.io @Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place @cthos@mastodon.cthos.dev "we were losing money on plumbing maintenance, right?"

        "uh, I don't... think that we were
        losing money on tha-"

        "so anyway, this company offered to deliver us water
        way below market price that the water company asks for!! so I ripped out all our pipes and these suckers are HAND BRINGING US WATER NOW."

        "what's your plan for if they ever raise prices?"

        "... huh?"

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        #74

        @aud @SnoopJ @Doomed_Daniel "Remember when Uber rides were $5 Bob?"

        "Sure do, Dave, sure do."

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        • cthos@mastodon.cthos.devC cthos@mastodon.cthos.dev

          @Doomed_Daniel @SnoopJ @aud So, yes, they are definitely trying to make themselves indespensible before their creditors come calling but unless there's some miraculous breakthrough or the "just accept shit sucks always" actually somehow makes them a profit ... they cannot raise their prices high enough to recoup the investment.

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          @Doomed_Daniel @SnoopJ @aud I did see a plausible argument that they don't actually want to recoup their investement and are just interested in messing up society, but I don't personally believe that.

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          • cthos@mastodon.cthos.devC cthos@mastodon.cthos.dev

            @Doomed_Daniel @SnoopJ @aud So, yes, they are definitely trying to make themselves indespensible before their creditors come calling but unless there's some miraculous breakthrough or the "just accept shit sucks always" actually somehow makes them a profit ... they cannot raise their prices high enough to recoup the investment.

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            #76

            @cthos @Doomed_Daniel @aud and thus the gravitational pull towards "simply take control of the entire market" and from there's a hop, skip, and a jump to fascism.

            can't have debts if you don't have living creditors

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            • snoopj@hachyderm.ioS snoopj@hachyderm.io

              @cthos @Doomed_Daniel @aud and thus the gravitational pull towards "simply take control of the entire market" and from there's a hop, skip, and a jump to fascism.

              can't have debts if you don't have living creditors

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              @SnoopJ@hachyderm.io @Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place @cthos@mastodon.cthos.dev I was just thinking about how "just accept shit sucks always" is basically how fascism "works" in the first place, so...

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              • cthos@mastodon.cthos.devC cthos@mastodon.cthos.dev

                @Doomed_Daniel @SnoopJ @aud I did see a plausible argument that they don't actually want to recoup their investement and are just interested in messing up society, but I don't personally believe that.

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                @cthos @SnoopJ @aud
                Who knows what they believe.. for OpenAI the business model has always been "achieve AGI, let that figure out a way to make money" (according to some early Sam Altman talk)

                For most I guess it's "follow hype now, think later"

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                • doomed_daniel@mastodon.gamedev.placeD doomed_daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place

                  @cthos @SnoopJ @aud
                  Who knows what they believe.. for OpenAI the business model has always been "achieve AGI, let that figure out a way to make money" (according to some early Sam Altman talk)

                  For most I guess it's "follow hype now, think later"

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                  #79

                  @cthos @SnoopJ @aud
                  I mean, for now "doing something with AI" boosts stock prices, who cares what happens when the bubble bursts, the people in charge only need to make sure to sell a enough shares before that happens

                  it's not like MBA brains ever cared about things further away than the next annual accounts

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                  • doomed_daniel@mastodon.gamedev.placeD doomed_daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place

                    @cthos @SnoopJ @aud
                    Who knows what they believe.. for OpenAI the business model has always been "achieve AGI, let that figure out a way to make money" (according to some early Sam Altman talk)

                    For most I guess it's "follow hype now, think later"

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                    #80

                    @Doomed_Daniel @cthos @aud "believe" may be too strong a word for the individuals caught up in the corporate machine (aside from the ones who are literally in a cult) and the machine itself does not have belief (wrong species)

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                    • snoopj@hachyderm.ioS snoopj@hachyderm.io

                      @Doomed_Daniel @cthos @aud "believe" may be too strong a word for the individuals caught up in the corporate machine (aside from the ones who are literally in a cult) and the machine itself does not have belief (wrong species)

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                      #81

                      @Doomed_Daniel @cthos @aud and at some point belief has really nothing to do with it and the economics just spiral naturally

                      I recently listened to a summary of the Chinese bike-share market craze of the mid 2010s recently and they did a good job making it clear that once ofo and Mobike were locked into a subsidy race, there really wasn't any way out except merger, and merger was unthinkable in the face of the sunk costs in that fight to that point

                      Has me thinking about the analogies to today's subsidies, except that there are businesses ($NVDA) who are benefitting from all that squabbling, at least temporarily, and the higher-ups will surely get the bigger end of the wishbone when the sell-offs start rolling in.

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                      • snoopj@hachyderm.ioS snoopj@hachyderm.io

                        @Doomed_Daniel @cthos @aud and at some point belief has really nothing to do with it and the economics just spiral naturally

                        I recently listened to a summary of the Chinese bike-share market craze of the mid 2010s recently and they did a good job making it clear that once ofo and Mobike were locked into a subsidy race, there really wasn't any way out except merger, and merger was unthinkable in the face of the sunk costs in that fight to that point

                        Has me thinking about the analogies to today's subsidies, except that there are businesses ($NVDA) who are benefitting from all that squabbling, at least temporarily, and the higher-ups will surely get the bigger end of the wishbone when the sell-offs start rolling in.

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                        @SnoopJ @Doomed_Daniel @aud But NVDA is also just tossing around the same $100 bn to all of the people who then pay them, and so the circular economics are just ... fraud levels of wild right now.

                        And at some point those data center workers want to get paid in real money.

                        So it's unclear just how cleanly they'll get away from this too.

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                        • cthos@mastodon.cthos.devC cthos@mastodon.cthos.dev

                          @SnoopJ @Doomed_Daniel @aud But NVDA is also just tossing around the same $100 bn to all of the people who then pay them, and so the circular economics are just ... fraud levels of wild right now.

                          And at some point those data center workers want to get paid in real money.

                          So it's unclear just how cleanly they'll get away from this too.

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                          @cthos@mastodon.cthos.dev @SnoopJ@hachyderm.io @Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place I suspect that when the bubble pops, any money that could be exfiltrated will likely already have been through one method or another by various parties... and/or they'll cry for a bailout

                          which will probably make me go full ass nuclear, honestly

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                          • snoopj@hachyderm.ioS snoopj@hachyderm.io

                            and doing so took the model ~336,500 tokens

                            For reference, the final merged document is about 20 KB of text, so conservatively about 8 tokens per byte processed (assuming I started with 2x 20 KB docs which is overestimating)

                            Woof.

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                            unsurprisingly, the more I look, the more I find to fix

                            I don't have the patience required to babysit this thing

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                            • snoopj@hachyderm.ioS snoopj@hachyderm.io

                              unsurprisingly, the more I look, the more I find to fix

                              I don't have the patience required to babysit this thing

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                              #85

                              credit where it's due, the model did spot a few mistakes in the original, and it did do a tidy job of re-arrangement

                              I dunno, I am reminded of watching my mother follow her robot vacuum around the house, watching it like a hawk.

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                              • snoopj@hachyderm.ioS snoopj@hachyderm.io

                                credit where it's due, the model did spot a few mistakes in the original, and it did do a tidy job of re-arrangement

                                I dunno, I am reminded of watching my mother follow her robot vacuum around the house, watching it like a hawk.

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                                #86

                                @SnoopJ "Don't worry little buddy, we'll get you back to your charger. Whoops you ate a cable again."

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                                • snoopj@hachyderm.ioS snoopj@hachyderm.io

                                  credit where it's due, the model did spot a few mistakes in the original, and it did do a tidy job of re-arrangement

                                  I dunno, I am reminded of watching my mother follow her robot vacuum around the house, watching it like a hawk.

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                                  @SnoopJ I'd favourite the whole thread but instead I'll just say thanks at the end.

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                                  • geoffwozniak@masto.hackers.townG geoffwozniak@masto.hackers.town

                                    @SnoopJ I'd favourite the whole thread but instead I'll just say thanks at the end.

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                                    @GeoffWozniak no problem, just kinda dumping my head out really

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                                    • snoopj@hachyderm.ioS snoopj@hachyderm.io

                                      credit where it's due, the model did spot a few mistakes in the original, and it did do a tidy job of re-arrangement

                                      I dunno, I am reminded of watching my mother follow her robot vacuum around the house, watching it like a hawk.

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                                      I will say that this is the first time I've felt the pull of "just turn your mind off, vibe with it"

                                      I hated it

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                                      • snoopj@hachyderm.ioS snoopj@hachyderm.io

                                        credit where it's due, the model did spot a few mistakes in the original, and it did do a tidy job of re-arrangement

                                        I dunno, I am reminded of watching my mother follow her robot vacuum around the house, watching it like a hawk.

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                                        @SnoopJ Relatedly I'm very curious if you reexamine this tomorrow or a week from now if you have the same subjective assessment of the work.

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                                        • snoopj@hachyderm.ioS snoopj@hachyderm.io

                                          I will say that this is the first time I've felt the pull of "just turn your mind off, vibe with it"

                                          I hated it

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                                          #91

                                          It's substantially more work to pay attention to what's going on, to review each change, even on this small task.

                                          It was a MUCH bigger lift to read and review the result than it would have been if I'd written it from scratch, although to some extent this could have been because of the nature of the task.

                                          Anyway, I can see how regular use causes erosion steadily.

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